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    Quote Originally Posted by J Wolfsberger View Post
    It wouldn't be terrorism. In this situation the defendant is also a Higher Court asserting jurisdiction.
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    Did I miss something in the thread? I was under the impression that sex was a violation of GEN Order #1. At least that's what I thought during all of my deployments. I thought the only people authorized to have sex were married couples deployed together.

    If I'm wrong on this, I'm going to feel really stupid. I know that on more than one occasion I told my Soldiers: "it is illegal for a Soldier to have sex in Iraq, unless you are married and it's with your wife".

    Actually, it was probably a good thing I told them that.
    Sir, what the hell are we doing?

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    I told a whopper of my own. I told my Soldiers that "gross stupidity" was an article 15 offense. That prevented more dumbassery than I can even begin to list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkm_101_fso View Post
    Did I miss something in the thread?

    I thought the only people authorized to have sex were married couples deployed together.
    Jake, I think that one got nixed also. Well, so long as one of the consenting and married partners doesn't get pregnant
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkm_101_fso View Post
    ... "it is illegal for a Soldier to have sex in Iraq, unless you are married and it's with your wife".
    True. But about as effective as legislating rainfall.
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    I don't understand the exception for married Soldiers. All of my married friends insist that sex ceases upon marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam L View Post
    Irrelevant! The court will not be held hostage by any force human or dieity. Terrorism will not be tolerated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmedlap View Post
    I don't understand the exception for married Soldiers. All of my married friends insist that sex ceases upon marriage.
    That's only half true. Our milkman has given us two great kids with another on the way!

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    Does anybody actually believe that soldiers are going to stop having sex just because we tell them to? Pornography is on the prohibited list also per GO #1 and I guarantee that I can find some within fifteen minutes on any COB/COP/FOB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmedlap View Post
    I told a whopper of my own. I told my Soldiers that "gross stupidity" was an article 15 offense. That prevented more dumbassery than I can even begin to list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uboat509 View Post
    Does anybody actually believe that soldiers are going to stop having sex just because we tell them to? Pornography is on the prohibited list also per GO #1 and I guarantee that I can find some within fifteen minutes on any COB/COP/FOB.
    Why the delay? On my last deployment, there was over 20 GB of it on our SIPR intranet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uboat509 View Post
    Does anybody actually believe that soldiers are going to stop having sex just because we tell them to? Pornography is on the prohibited list also per GO #1 and I guarantee that I can find some within fifteen minutes on any COB/COP/FOB.

    SFC W
    Well, we were good until some females showed up at the patrol base at about month 6 to perform some CSS task (can't remember what). All the boys started sniffing around and I told them that sex was a violation of GEN Order #1.

    Maybe it stopped a few. I told the others "don't be that guy".
    Sir, what the hell are we doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uboat509 View Post
    Does anybody actually believe that soldiers are going to stop having sex just because we tell them to? Pornography is on the prohibited list also per GO #1 and I guarantee that I can find some within fifteen minutes on any COB/COP/FOB.
    I had a pretty reasonable assumption that none of my platoon were having sex with each other. If they had, we would have had a problem. That they all extensive collections of German pornography in their lockers gave me some expectation that they were less troublesome because of it, rather than without it.
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    Perhaps the problem is we shouldn't impose unrealistic physical and moral expectations on 18 to 20-something year olds in combat, in a foreign country, and in close proximity to others who are also willing. I think wilf's last comment is profound: some studies suggest that those who watch pornography are less likely to commit sexual offenses.
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    Thumbs up Nothing is safe from micromanagement!

    The US Army's ability to tell Commanders how to suck eggs on things they shouldn't while allowing them great latitude in things that contravene doctrine and long standing policy never ceases to amaze and amuse...

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    From the time that I first heard of Maj Gen Cucolo's policy on pregnancy I knew the story had legs and we would be hearing more about it. The Army has enough going on right now without having a policy that puts it in the middle of a political and ideological minefield.

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    I now hear that GEN Odierno has clarified MG Cuculo's position. The thing that really bothers me, though, is that Cuke used to be the Army's chief spinmeister. Now he paints himself into a position where somebody else has to explain, "what the general meant to say..."

    And we wonder why we're losing the information war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Eagle View Post
    And we wonder why we're losing the information war.
    Pet peeve! I think it is now clear that we were never really "losing the information war" in Iraq (perhaps one could argue that were were in the first couple years, but certainly not the last couple). People would simply take stories in isolation and, in a non-rigorous selective analysis through anecdote that would make Tom Friedman proud, extrapolate from the publicized bad news (or stories of ineptitude) that we were "losing the information war." When Abu Ghraib is a rallying cry for the enemy's recruiting efforts, but the average man on the street knows that if he goes to prison that he will get decent food and bed for a week or so and then get released - I say that is a pretty good performance in the "information war."

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    "The US Army's ability to tell Commanders how to suck eggs on things they shouldn't while allowing them great latitude in things that contravene doctrine and long standing policy never ceases to amaze and amuse."

    I would love to hear some examples! What are some besides the pregnancy issue in this thread?

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    Default For dumb stuff, check this

    LINK.

    For not telling people to do what's important, here's one example: LINK (.pdf).

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