Explosive device set off aboard airliner at Detroit Wayne International Airport

[Stan]

Hey Firn,

You were clearly singled out for very good reasons - too obvious ones to tell you.

Not sure I fully understand "to obvious to tell you". Schmedlap fits a current profile ? If you mean this is an OPSEC issue, then say so please.

Were not practically all of the plots or bombings concerning aircrafts comitted by persons which fitted to a often surprising degree the risk profiles?

This is one of the very reasons we teach the local security to check everybody. Not a single person should be exempt from a full screening (shoes off, physical search and yet another screening at the gate). Some folks just don't know what's going on and being ignorant doesn't translate into easier checks and apologies in lieu of security.

I know this is a rather sensitive topic, but given the limited time and ressources for security checks the overall effort should focus on them, while keeping up a (far) more irregular/sparse pattern for intensiv checks for other profiles.

There's an inordinate amount of pressure on security personnel to perform an effective job in a matter of seconds. Simply being trained to identify potential flammable and/or explosive mixtures obviously is useless if we don't permit security to do a thorough inspection. This especially holds true at the gate... The enormous amount of hazmat available at the gift shops are not being controlled.

Firn

P.S: Good to hear that this obviously timed bombing was prevented. Kudos to the crew and the passenger(s).

Could you expand on "timed bombing" ? All I've read indicates the bonehead has serious burns.

I'm glad to see passengers getting involved - time we sent a message to would be fanatics: We won't take this Sierra any more

[Firn]

Hey Firn,



Not sure I fully understand "to obvious to tell you". Schmedlap fits a current profile ? If you mean this is an OPSEC issue, then say so please.

Just too thickly veiled irony about the comic nature of the incident when viewed from his perspective. In short I forgot the

Could you expand on "timed bombing" ? All I've read indicates the bonehead has serious burns.

I refered to the overall timing of the bombing. We recently had also the video of the captured soldier. It seems to be that dear AQ&C looks closely at the (christian) calendar before making international moves. I would suit me fine, If the person in question would always "time" the bomb as splendidly as yesterday.

I'm glad to see passengers getting involved - time we sent a message to would be fanatics: We won't take this Sierra any more

True


Firn

[Stan]

Just too thickly veiled irony about the comic nature of the incident when viewed from his perspective. In short I forgot the

Firn, I'm just a thick-headed sort, but you've lost me now. I don't work at the airport, but I do teach airport security personnel awareness training. Sorry, but I don't see the comic nature herein.

I refered to the overall timing of the bombing. We recently had also the video of the captured soldier. It seems to be that dear AQ&C looks closely at the (christian) calendar before making international moves. I would suit me fine, If the person in question would always "time" the bomb as splendidly as yesterday.

Not sure where you're going with this para. Captured Soldier and Christian Calendar ?

The 23 year-old Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab claims he was to

to ignite an explosive device as the jet approached Detroit

You may not have access to LEO and the BDC, but this BBC article has a different twist.

[Firn]

Firn, I'm just a thick-headed sort, but you've lost me now. I don't work at the airport, but I do teach airport security personnel awareness training. Sorry, but I don't see the comic nature herein.

There is nothing comic in the bombing, I thought this was clear. I commented Schmedlap's experience and I agreed with him that it could seem absurd to him, given the circumstances.

Not sure where you're going with this para. Captured Soldier and Christian Calendar ?

I refered to the fact that AQ or elements which share the same ideology choose Christmas to send the video of the captured soldier. As David said, it seems to be part of their Info Warfare, just as the choice to try to wreck the airplane on the 26th of December. Note also how the producers want to have the mental link to Vietnam fortified.


Hopefully this clears our misunderstanding up. Communication is both easy and difficult.


Firn

[Uboat509]

Somebody correct me if I am wrong here but aren't there also legal issues with how passengers are selected for "additional screening"? I think that part of the issue is that other people like the eighty year old grandma have to be selected to avoid even the appearance of "profiling" or somebody is getting sued.

As for Schmedlap, he is a former military officer and veteran of the War on Terror. He is therefore clearly a threat because he is a current or future member of a right-wing militia. The fact that he is in law school just proves that he has nefarious intent.

SFC W

[Stan]

Somebody correct me if I am wrong here but aren't there also legal issues with how passengers are selected for "additional screening"? I think that part of the issue is that other people like the eighty year old grandma have to be selected to avoid even the appearance of "profiling" or somebody is getting sued.

Can't answer for the USA but the EU countries are held to a minimum standard and anything above and beyond that is their business. We were detained in charles de gaulle for having explosive traces detected. Yet, we just transited Frankfurt without a hitch.

I see what you're getting at and would only add that everybody be subjected to additional screening. No room to whine.

As for grandma, older folks, especially in wheel chairs, are too easy to use. We've already had an incident involving a wheelchair with drugs stuffed into the tires and frame.

Regards, Stan

[Stan]

Hopefully this clears our misunderstanding up. Communication is both easy and difficult.

Firn

Firn,
Thanks for your clarification and video link !
Stan