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    Default In all seriousness...

    Steve is right: we've always planned to trade space for time - it worked for the Russians in WWII and it should have worked against them in the event of WWIII - until our NATO allies could get into motion.

    JMM99, I also have no faith that successive governments will stick to the plan, nor am I holding my breath waiting for the current government to honour it's promises. Public support for the Afghanistan mission, or for new equipment to meet Forces needs, is tenuous at best; when budgets bring the military into competition with social programs, the military comes a distant second every time. An example of that battle is the deferral of construction of our new icebreakers - we won't get new toys if the ballet has to find corporate sponsors.

    With respect to the composition of the future CF, I agree that the vast spaces, long coasts along three oceans, and an icebound archapelago should be considerations. If we are serious about asserting our sovereignty, we need to add the capacity to support ops across the littoral. A vessel that can transport troops, provide support for tactical and Chinook helicopters, and with the ability to land fighting and logistics vehicles, would not only suit our defense needs, but also allow us to project force in support of the national interest.

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    03 Bacon RG - The Marine Corps today has 3 Infantry Divisions and 3 Air Wings.

    With supporting combat and logistic suport units the Marines have about 203 -205,000 troops

    The Canadian Govt. should consider the Marine "Big Squad" concept of a Squad Leader and 3 fireteams equipted with 3 automatic weapons vs the smaller 9 or 10 man squads other military forces utilitize.

    I'd point whoever is considering the big vs little squads argumements to the
    Rifle Squad deliberations in the Trigger Puller forum cover the pros and cons in depth.

    I'm a big fan of the Marine 13 man squad because I grew up in that environment. It works, it has depth, surivability and to ability to continue the attack and wreak losses on the enemy in a much higher ratio in a shorter length of time.

    Ken White, who fought both sized squads in combat favors the more robust Marine Squad for serveral reason. That personal recommendation alone should convince any political, number crunching Scrooge in Canada.

    I hope your politicans understand the generational threat we all face with the islamofacist elements who will not go away because we are capable of turning the other cheek.

    I suspect there will be a lot of small war action in the next 30 years than having to defent the vast open spaces and depth in dfense your nation enjoys.

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    03 Bacon RG - The Marine Corps today has 3 Infantry Divisions and 3 Air Wings.

    With supporting combat and logistic suport units the Marines have about 203 -205,000 troops

    The Canadian Govt. should consider the Marine "Big Squad" concept of a Squad Leader and 3 fireteams equipted with 3 automatic weapons vs the smaller 8 or 9 man squads other military forces utilitize.

    I'd point whoever is considering the big vs little squads argumements to the
    Rifle Squad deliberations in the Trigger Puller forum cover the pros and cons in depth.

    I'm a big fan of the Marine 13 man squad because I grew up in that environment. It works, it has depth, surivability and to ability to continue the attack and wreak losses on the enemy in a much higher ratio in a shorter length of time.

    Ken White, who fought both sized squads in combat favors the more robust Marine Squad for serveral reason. That personal recommendation alone should convince any political, number crunching Scrooge in Canada.

    I hope your politicans understand the generational threat we all face with the islamofacist elements who will not go away because we are capable of turning the other cheek.

    I suspect there will be a lot of small war action in the next 30 years than having to defent the vast open spaces and depth in dfense your nation enjoys.

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    Seem the discussion has gotten onto the SOF side of things, but I'd like to talk about Arctic security for a moment. Currently our Navy has plans to produce "Arctic Patrol Vessels" for sovereignty missions up north. These vessels would be ice hardened and capable of winter missions, based out of ports like Nannook and Nanisivik they would be fairly lightly armed but capable of conducting fisheries patrols and "NorPloy's" currently performed by the CG. As it stands now, a Frigate usually goes up there each summer to show the flag, but it’s seen by the Navy as more of a training opportunity in ice navigation rather than real "presence patrolling" to borrow a term from the army.

    Its not clear if the reg force will be the primary sailors (hardship posting anyone?) or if the reserves will be employed for crew on these ships yet, but given the Navy's problems with manning and operational tempo I don't see how this new commitment can be properly met. I know the bosses I've had haven't been able to give me a satisfactory answer regarding this, which doesn't speak well for the plan.

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    Speaking to a few far more learned infantry warrant officer types the biggest issue regarding infantry squad size is moving them around the battlefield. Due to rail movement, and pesky things like small bridges and goat tracks - highways in some third world ####e hole, the vehicles have a width restriction. This means seven to ten soldiers with kit can squeeze into an APC/IFV/IMV etc. The marines have those big AAV7 'ordnance magnets' and the new Chinese ZDB05 amphibious infantry fighting vehicle is another large 'ordnance magnet' with lovely slab sides and thin armour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 031-Bacon,RG View Post
    They must have gotten the story wrong - an excess of recruits actually choosing infantry, in the midst of a shooting war?

    "I am 1,600 infantrymen over my establishment," Lt.-Gen. Andrew Leslie said Thursday, adding that the high numbers of recruits who want to "serve at the tip of the spear . . . completely refuted" any notion that there were problems getting people to serve in a wartime army.

    Somebody must have made a mistake, since everything I've been told (over and over and over) is that Canadians are peace-loving and unwarlike friends to everyone, who aspire to nothing more than to don the blue beret and go stand with an empty rifle as an alternative target between warring factions. I mean, at some point someone must have told these recruits that the role of infantry is to close with and destroy the enemy, right?

    "I find myself in a unique position in comparison to most of my fellow army commanders across NATO," Lt.-Gen. Leslie said. "I have more volunteers every tour than I have positions. To come to Afghanistan is a competitive process."

    Go figure. Teach 'em to read and think, and then they wanna go and extend the same opportunities to others. They must not have got enough hugs as children - the whole lot of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GI Zhou View Post
    Speaking to a few far more learned infantry warrant officer types the biggest issue regarding infantry squad size is moving them around the battlefield.
    Wrong. That is absolutely NOT the biggest issues. It's the opinion the has created nearly all the problems. The size of the section has NOTHING to do with the size of the vehicle,
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    - The job of the British Army out here is to kill or capture Communist Terrorists in Malaya.
    - If we can double the ratio of kills per contact, we will soon put an end to the shooting in Malaya.
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    Default Study: Canadian Snipers "coping as well or better than regular soldiers"

    This summary of a paper just out at Defence Research and Development Canada (DRDC):
    This paper reports on the research conducted in the first year of a three-year study on the psychological well-being of snipers. This research began with an interview-based study of 19 snipers who had served in Afghanistan and who were still serving as snipers in Canadian army units. The results of this study show that the snipers had elevated scores on a generalized measure of psychological stress, but their scores were not as high as those of a sample of nonsnipers (from another study) who had served in Afghanistan. This finding suggests that the snipers were coping as well or better than regular soldiers. When asked about specific combat experiences, the differences were more dramatic, however. Snipers experienced more combat than the non-sniper group and expressed more concern over their combat experiences than the non-snipers. In contrast to these findings, the snipers also expressed high levels of satisfaction with their careers and stated that being a sniper had been a positive influence in their lives. Given the inconsistency of these findings, it is proposed that this research be expanded to include more standardized measures of possible outcomes and a larger sample during the second and third years of the project.
    J. Peter Bradley (Department of Military Psychology and Leadership, Royal Military College of Canada), "An Exploratory Study on Sniper Well-Being: Report on the First Year of Sniper Well-Being Research (FY 2008-2009)," DRDC, July 2010 (link to 37 page study at Scribd.com)

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    Looking at a special function requiring specific training and high percentage of dismiss /reject is a little skewed for such study between well-being after deployment.
    I will not be surprised if NCO and specialists resilience to stress fight is the same as snipers.

    It could be interesting to find out that nature of character (psychological orientations) are less fight-stress relevant.

    Last point, 19 is not a big enough sample from a statistical point of view. Furthermore, the candidates were chosen by their staff, polluting the sample.

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    I have always been very skeptical of the preconception that killing is unnatural and stressful.

    If anything, modern man is bothered most by the discovery that they LIKE to kill, which runs counter to societies myth of peaceful mankind, which can cause long term coping issues.

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    Norflok,
    I am surpriced by what kind of mis-inforamtion you post on here.
    It is obviouse to any insider that you have NO IDEA
    about the Canadian Army, its structure, equipment and such.
    You will do everyone here a great service if you would restrain yourself from posting such gross mis-information!!
    ANYONE realy interested in the Canadian army can find the REAL info by keystroke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anna View Post
    Norflok,
    I am surpriced by what kind of mis-inforamtion you post on here.
    It is obviouse to any insider that you have NO IDEA
    about the Canadian Army, its structure, equipment and such.
    You will do everyone here a great service if you would restrain yourself from posting such gross mis-information!!
    ANYONE realy interested in the Canadian army can find the REAL info by keystroke!
    He did serve in the Canadian Army and he was fairly well connected and tried to stay current. The post you presumably reference is dated June, 2008 and specifically cites another person as the source from an earlier posting on another site.

    A lot can happen in two and a half years...

    I'm curious. What's an insider in this case? A guy who was in the force discussed or a good web researcher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anna View Post
    Norflok,
    I am surpriced by what kind of mis-inforamtion you post on here.
    It is obviouse to any insider that you have NO IDEA
    about the Canadian Army, its structure, equipment and such.
    You will do everyone here a great service if you would restrain yourself from posting such gross mis-information!!
    ANYONE realy interested in the Canadian army can find the REAL info by keystroke!
    Thank you for that thoughtful commentary, anna. It is certainly so much more helpful than Norfolk's long, detailed, informative posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex Brynen View Post
    Thank you for that thoughtful commentary, anna. It is certainly so much more helpful than Norfolk's long, detailed, informative posts.
    That would be Norflok

    Not Norfolk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Odom View Post
    That would be Norflok

    Not Norfolk
    Well yes, flok him!
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    Default Canadian Govt to restore "Royal" title to Navy/Airforce

    The Harper Government of Canada in order to commemorate the 200th Anniversary of the War of 1812 and to celebrate the country's past military traditions, is changing the name's of the navy and Airforce back to Royal. However, the army will be branding just the "army" following British tradition on the naming subject. The names were changed in the 1960's as part of a move by the Liberal Government at the time to unify Canada's armed forces under various commands

    This move as the article state's isn't without controversy as many say the money for the re-branding effort would be better spent. While some politicians especially from Quebec, see it as an effort by Harper to tie Canada closer to the UK.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2130125/

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    While understandable in terms of reemphasizing the connection between the modern Canadian military and its achievements of the past, I have to say I think it is a rather silly move from a national unity point-of-view—arguably, Canada's most important national security concern.

    In the most recent polling I've seen (May 2010), only 13% of Quebeckers supported Canada remaining a monarchy. Support among Francophone Quebeckers would be even lower than that.

    National unity issues aren't terribly salient at the moment. But given that the the country came within 0.58% of falling apart in the 1995 referendum, I'm not sure the gains in terms of historical attachment outweigh the potential future liabilities.
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    As the only thing essentially changing is the stationary, I think this will all be forgotten by anyone outside of the military in about 48 hours....

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    Default The Strategic Outlook for Canada

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