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    I think part of the problem is that many infant and self-proclaimed revolutionary groups have their own internal dissensions about what their program is about. The difference between SDS and UW, and Black Panthers and Black Liberation Army, for example.
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    Default A Binding Infrastructure!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanPride View Post
    I think part of the problem is that many infant and self-proclaimed revolutionary groups have their own internal dissensions about what their program is about. The difference between SDS and UW, and Black Panthers and Black Liberation Army, for example.
    Yes! In Warden's Rings he always talks a ring 3(Infrastructure) having both visible and invisible components! There has to be some type of cause or belief that will bind the team, a kind of mental steel of sorts.

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    Default The threat at home from the extreme right

    An odd report via Twitter, from an untested source that relies on a local Miami paper and it starts with:
    According to the Miami Herald, Brandon Russell, Arthurs’ roommate, was in possession of multiple materials meant to build explosives, including a lethal bomb-making chemical named hexamethane triperoxide diamine. FBI and Tampa Police Department officers found the materials in Russell’s garage.
    While in his bedroom, devices used by police bomb technicians alerted to the presence of radiation sources — thorium and americium.
    Link:http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/fbi-...ive-materials/

    The local paper's report:http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...151953257.html

    Leaving aside that Russell was serving in the National Guard; he lived with an extremist who was building IEDs possibly with radioactive components.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    An odd report via Twitter, from an untested source that relies on a local Miami paper and it starts with:Link:http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/fbi-...ive-materials/

    The local paper's report:http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...151953257.html

    Leaving aside that Russell was serving in the National Guard; he lived with an extremist who was building IEDs possibly with radioactive components.
    You left out a key piece of the story, Dave. From the Miami Herald link above:

    Officers placed him in handcuffs, and as they walked him to a patrol car, he made several references to “Allah Mohammed,” and said, “I had to do it. This wouldn’t have to happen if your country didn’t bomb my country.”
    Arthurs explained that he shared the same neo-Nazi beliefs as Himmelman and Oneschuk until his recent conversion to Islam. His friends often made disparaging comments about the religion, he said, to which he began to take great offense.
    “Since then, Arthurs states, he has become angered by the world’s anti-Muslim sentiment and had wanted to bring attention to his cause,” according to the arrest report.

    ‘But they aren’t hurt, they’re dead’
    Arthurs told police he killed his two friends — identified by police as Jeremy Himmelman and Andrew Oneschuk — because they disrespected his new-found Muslim faith. Police found the bodies Friday hours after Arthurs barged into a nearby smoke shop and pulled a handgun on an employee and several customers.
    Note that RAW STORY massaged this event to exclude all mention of the "Derka Derka Mohammed Jihad" aspect.

    Now, however will the SPLA classified this? Islamic terrorism or Right-Wing terrorism? Place your bets now, kids.
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    I have re-opened this closed thread prompted by the next post. I have copied two posts from the current Terrorism in the USA thread, on the Florida case as they appear relevant.

    There are a small number of closed, historical threads that touch upon this theme; notably this:DHS Report: Rightwing Extremism
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    Default The Rise of the Violent Left

    An article from 'The Atlantic', the full title and sub-title are: The Rise of the Violent Left; Antifa’s activists say they’re battling burgeoning authoritarianism on the American right. Are they fueling it instead?
    Link:https://flipboard.com/@flipboard/-th...heatlantic.com

    I was aware of some the violent incidents @ Portland, Oregon; though without understanding why that city features so much. That Antifa have a strong Anarchist element I had missed - anarchism's roots go back a long way.
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    Default Trends in U.S. far-right domestic terror attacks

    An academic study by three US academics, they explain their project inpart in:
    A recent study by criminologists examined the situational risk factors associated with far-right terrorist attack success. Their findings suggest that target vulnerability, lone actors, and unsophisticated weaponry are common correlates of far-right terrorism, information that may aid in the investigation and prevention of future domestic terror attacks.
    Link:http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/201...error-attacks/
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    Default Statistical Context

    Since September 11, 2001, some 190 people have been killed in acts of terror in the United States, inclusive of the recent killing at Charleston:

    • 117 (62%) were killed by Muslim supremacists

    • 50 (26%) were killed by terrorists whose ethnic background was white, including white supremacist, anti-government, anti-abortion and misc. terrorists

    • 23 (12%) were killed by terrorists whose ethnic background was black, including black supremacist, anti-government and misc. terrorists


    For demographic context:

    • 62% of the population is non-Hispanic white

    • 13% of the population is black

    • 1% of the population is Muslim

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    Default How Charlottesville lost control amid deadly protest

    A WaPo article and the series of photos helps to explain what happened. The third is devastating IMHO from "across the water", it defies being copied here. So the text after the image:
    Most dangerously, law enforcement experts say, officers initially deployed without adequate protective gear to break up fighting and were not well positioned to keep the peace. As fights erupted, police stayed back. They stood not between the two opposing groups but behind them and off to the sides. And when they cleared the park where rallygoers had gathered near a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, police flushed many of them directly onto the same street where counterprotesters were gathered, according to witnesses and video.
    Link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-charlottesville-lost-control-amid-deadly-protest/2017/08/26/288ffd4a-88f7-11e7-a94f-3139abce39f5_story.html?

    It will be interesting to read - one day - how Berkeley PD's performance today is reported.
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    Default DHS warning before Charlottesville rally

    The full title and sub-title of this article is:
    Virginia received DHS warning before Charlottesville rally; Homeland Security alerted officials to potential for 'most violent' clash between white supremacists and anarchists.
    Link:http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ecurity-242140

    It opens with:
    The Department of Homeland Security issued a confidential warning to law enforcement authorities three days before the deadly Aug. 12 Charlottesville protest rally, saying that an escalating series of clashes had created a powder keg that would likely make the event “among the most violent to date” between white supremacists and anarchists. The “law enforcement sensitive” assessment, obtained by POLITICO and reported for the first time, raises questions about whether Charlottesville city and Virginia state authorities dropped the ball before, and during, a public event that was widely expected to draw huge crowds of armed, emotional and antagonistic participants from around the country.
    This article was id'd in this one by John Schindler, who looks at the not so "hidden hand" of Russia:http://observer.com/2017/08/russia-a...ille-far-left/

    I note the Virginia Fusion Center was involved; a topic that appeared in a thread awhile ago now and IIRC was critical of their lack of focus. See:State & Local Intel in the GWOT

    For background this closed thread will help:DHS Report: Rightwing Extremism
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    Default Treating doemstic threats like we treat ISIS plus

    A What if" article by Daniel Byman and this passage explains:
    ...what if the U.S. government went beyond rhetoric and truly treated these groups as it treats Americans suspected of being involved with jihadist organizations like ISIS? The differences would be profound. Not only would the resources that law enforcement devotes to nonjihadist groups soar, but so too would the means of countering those groups....
    Ouch, a lesson from Charlottesville:
    For example, Virginia allows its residents to openly carry a firearm. However, the law stipulates that a non-Virginian from a state where open carry is illegal cannot carry a firearm— a seemingly obscure technicality. Police, however, did not check to make sure all the marchers in Charlottesville—many of which were from other states—met this criterion.
    Link:https://www.brookings.edu/articles/s...d-what-doesnt/
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    From the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness
    Anarchist Extremists: Antifa
    June 12, 2017
    Counterterrorism, Domestic

    Anti-fascist groups, or “Antifa,” are a subset of the anarchist movement and focus on issues involving racism, sexism, and anti-Semitism, as well as other perceived injustices.
    https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/a...tifa?rq=antifa
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    Default Charlottesville PD chief resigns

    A WaPo report:
    Charlottesville Police Chief Alfred Thomas resigned abruptly Monday, just 17 days after the release of a report that was highly critical of the police department’s handling of a white-supremacist rally in August that turned deadly in the Virginia city. The 207-page report prepared by Timothy Heaphy, a former U.S. attorney for the Western District of Virginia, concluded that the department was ill-prepared, lacked proper training and had a flawed plan for managing the Unite the Right rally that drew hundreds of neo-Nazis and white nationalists to Charlottesville on Aug. 12 and resulted in violent clashes with counterprotesters. The lack of adequate preparation led to “disastrous results,” Heaphy wrote.
    Link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/charlottesville-police-chief-resigns-in-wake-of-report-on-white-supremacist-rally/2017/12/18/536ac8a2-e42c-11e7-a65d-1ac0fd7f097e_story.html?


    WaPo did report the Heaphy report before, which has a link to the report. Link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/charlottesville-response-to-white-supremacist-rally-sharply-criticized-in-new-report/2017/12/01/9c59fe98-d6a3-11e7-a986-d0a9770d9a3e_story.html?
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    Default This notion that domestic terrorists are getting a pass, somehow, is not true

    The rationale for not labeling domestic acts of violence as terrorism has now been explained by a DoJ lawyer:
    Thomas Brzozowski is well aware of the criticism. The former judge advocate general officer and FBI lawyer is now the Justice Department’s counsel for domestic terrorism matters, a counterterrorism position created within the DOJ’s National Security Division in 2015.
    Link:https://flipboard.com/@flipboard/-th...ingtonpost.com
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    Default Defeating home-grown American terrorism — an Italian lesson

    A short article that sums up the threat within and suggests Italian success against its enemies, now awhile ago offers a way ahead. A key passage:
    The Italian experience raises another warning. After voters rejected the parties of the extreme left in 1977, some of their activists gave up on democracy, joining terrorist groups and stoking greater violence. US voters in 2018 seem ready to reject white nationalist candidates, which may motivate some to consider violent tactics instead.
    Link:http://thehill.com/opinion/national-...italian-lesson
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    David,

    This is opinion piece is deeply flawed. White supremacist commit on average less than 30 "murders" a year, which is certainly a security concern that I believe is being addressed by our law enforcement entities. Making it a mainstream topic of discuss in my view would risk making the problem worse. The government cracked down hard on these groups after the Oklahoma Federal Bombing, the most significant terrorist attack on the U.S. homeland prior to 9/11. It is still the most significant attack conducted by a U.S. citizen.

    Shifting to left wing wing terrorist groups, in the U.S. much like Europe, they killed scores of people throughout the 1960s and 1970s. Today, we see a re-emergence of left wing violence. Most notably they are killing police officers in large numbers in recent years. ANTIFA and other left wing mobs have committed consider damage, and their activities seem to be increasing. Sadly, some U.S. politicians seem to back them with their rhetoric, such as our former President.

    The greater threat posed to our nation isn't white supremacists and left wing extremists violence, it is the dumbing down of American society that they represent. Mainstream media, social media, and unqualified university professors promote these views by failing to encourage critical thinking. A democracy only works with an educated electorate willing to intellectually debate issues and seek comprise solutions. Extremists by definition reject compromise. Congress has an opportunity to demonstrate how to do this, but in fact have become part of the problem (both sides of the aisle).

    The author believes voters will reject white supremacist candidates??? America has largely rejected these idiots over the last 50 years, so this is an attempt to paint all conservatives as supremacists to shape voter perceptions. It is dishonest and only further divides our people. The media did a poor job assessing how Americans would vote during the last election, and I see no indication their assessment, or more accurately their bias, has improved. However, there is good news. I'm pleasantly surprised that irresponsible social media and main stream media has not prompted more left and right wing extremist attacks in the U.S. Perhaps behind all the hyped noise most of us are relatively content? There isn't anything at this time worth killing or physically harming other Americans over, and the system can still work if we hold it accountable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    America has largely rejected these idiots over the last 50 years, so this is an attempt to paint all conservatives as supremacists to shape voter perceptions. It is dishonest and only further divides our people.
    Exactly so.

    For anyone unclear on the motives behind these shennanigans, they need only to read the writings of Saul Alinsky.

    Anyone paying attention can see the following in play, each and every day across the media spectrum.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

    The Rules
    "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
    "Never go outside the expertise of your people."
    "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
    "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
    "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
    "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
    "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
    "Keep the pressure on."
    "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
    "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
    "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside"
    "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
    "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
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