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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post

    So many things odd and wrong with that picture, I just do no know where to begin!
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    PS Wilf, I was reading your RUSI article and was hoping that you say something about HK MP7. I'm little bit disappointed

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    PS Wilf, I was reading your RUSI article and was hoping that you say something about HK MP7. I'm little bit disappointed
    I think I said it all before.
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    Wilf, do you dare to suggest this to troops in Afganistan?

    The new section could be still be eight
    men, all equipped with an MP7 or P-90,
    but one man also carrying an MGL, and
    another a GPMG or LMG (L7 or L110).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    Wilf, do you dare to suggest this to troops in Afganistan?

    The new section could be still be eight
    men, all equipped with an MP7 or P-90,
    but one man also carrying an MGL, and
    another a GPMG or LMG (L7 or L110).
    I would dare, SUGGEST and without blinking. - Suggest means go work it out, do the trials and do the training. IF it does not work well, DO NOT DO IT!

    None of the articles you see written by me (or even Jim Storr) should be taken a doctrine. A lot of the time they seek to be provocative, to get the debate going - because most of the time their simply is no discussion and no debate.
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    FUCHS

    a. It does matter how far you can see, because you may well be seeing people who are shooting at other people who are closer to them. - or trying to stop them moving around and across terrain you cannot secure, except by fire.

    b. Combat has to be accepted as and when it occurs. Terrain is not homogeneous. Even in Jungles you may be engaged by a 14.5 AAMG a 1000m across the other side of the valley - as happened to a friend of mine in Laos.

    c. I agree that the Taliban are not a well trained opponent, but you do not have to be that good to be that lethal so that it counts. Combat is not defined by absolutes. It's very context specific and all very relative. Good enough merely has to be "better than."

    What is more, NO good Army will take the tactical conduct of operations in A'Stan as being illustrative of anything other than irregular warfare against a 2nd rate opponent.
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    Sir Gerald Templer, foreword to the "Conduct of Anti-Terrorist Operations in Malaya," 1958 Edition

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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    FUCHSc. I agree that the Taliban are not a well trained opponent, but you do not have to be that good to be that lethal so that it counts. Combat is not defined by absolutes. It's very context specific and all very relative. Good enough merely has to be "better than."

    What is more, NO good Army will take the tactical conduct of operations in A'Stan as being illustrative of anything other than irregular warfare against a 2nd rate opponent.
    Yes. And good enough merely has to be "better than" for a little while.

    These guys know their turf, they know killzones and they are persistent. That's enough to be "better than at times" and killing them requires the same skills as facing a regular opponent - only with them you have more considerations to take into account.

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