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The Law Catches Up To Private Militaries, Embeds
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Not a lawyer, but I would not be to quick to think this will be a blanket law and will have an effect on all contractors since UCMJ would apply to DoD contractors. Alot of PMC contractors work for State Dept or " other". Not sure but as everything else, I would be willing to bet that law will get chewed up by the corp lawyers.
Everyone hates them, but knows they are not getting anything done without them. Just my 2 cents. More info on this can be had here also: http://ipoaonline.org/journal/index....=136&Itemid=30 Last edited by sgmgrumpy; 01-05-2007 at 10:09 AM. Reason: Other sources |
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During the Kosovo campaign, Halliburton was hauled before a Congressional hearing over price gouging. It seems Halliburton was really gouging on plywood. H. told the committee that if they didn't like it they could hire someone else to do the work:end of hearing. I simply call H and others "camp followers" but their connection to the people of Iraq is primarily economic which binds the people to them better and stronger than they are to military forces. Screw with the camp followers and they will simply move to a new location leaving a bunch of unemployed people in their wake who will have nobody to blame but the military for their loss of jobs. A purple finger or a paycheck? Which would you want? One 'Lifer' wanting to push some new rules could cause more problems than you can imagine.
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This is unworkable on so many levels, especially irt the press. I wouldnt expect this to last.
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Via Colonel Patrick Lang's blog:
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The question is whether a conviction obtained would withstand appeal to the Supreme Court.
See Reid v. Covert 345 US 1. I am not a lawyer or student of the law, so I would welcome them to criticize my work. Something I wrote a few years ago: Quote:
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Well, there are two items of interest that apply:
1) The Federal Acquisition Regulation does tell contractors up front about circumstances of applicability in clause 222.225-7040, Contractor Personnel U.S. Armed Forces, etc. This is spelled out in the contract, so there shouldn't be much of a surprise. 2) CENTCOM's lawyers also have the deployed contracting officers putting a notification in contracts warning contractors about the applicability of MEJA. (NOTE: For legal advice in your state, please consult a lawyer. Sandbag is NOT a lawyer, but knows a thing or two about contract law). |
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Does this mean I can finally tell morbidly obese contractors wearing ACU to meet 600-9 requirements? Or to take their headgear off in the chow hall? Or to blouse thier boots and roll their sleeves down?
Man this could be the start of something good. The only problem I see, is that I will have to spend a lot of time making spot corrections.
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No Slack!!!
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I've never seen any grounding in reality in the discussion over applying UCMJ to contractors. My unanswered concerns:
As far as Fed Acq Regulations, FARs needs to be implemented fully and I'm not sure we've canceled or let expire all the contracts that bypassed FARs. There's an implication in FARs that if you don't do the job correctly, you'll be fired and replaced by another vendor. How many times has that happened? Have the contracts been been rewritten to make PMC produced reports gov't reports or are they still corporate property like Aegis's 200 pager compiled after the "Elvis Video"? Do based commanders have any insight (or new authority for that matter) over contractors, or is it still informal and haphazard? It will be interesting to see the first case play out. |
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short answer: No longer answer: you can try but will only get frustrated The sleeves is an infantry thing, BTW Tom |
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You'd likely die of exhaustion if you take it on yourself, but yeah, you can do that. I'd rather have you go to Fort Belvoir and start with most of the personnel assigned there, first.
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DefenseLink, 6 Apr 08: Civilian Contractor Charged With Assault Under Military Law
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Yesterday the Swiss Federal Departement of Foreign Affairs announced that nearly 60 firms have signed the International Code of Conduct for Providers of Private Security. The CoC is a follow-up document to the Montreux Document from 2008 which had been perceived positively by the international community.
The ICoC "is based on the assumption that companies must respect human rights independently from the condition of national state law." "International law is only applicable to non-state actors in certain limited circumstances, whereas an International Code of Conduct overcomes these legal and theoretical ambiguities. If companies express their commitment to respect these standards, the International Code of Conduct can become the basic document to spell out rules for private security providers and offer practical advice on how to deal with them" The press release can be found here: http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/....html?id=36144 The CoC can be found here: http://www.news.admin.ch/NSBSubscrib...ents/21143.pdf While the Montreux Document can be found here: http://www.eda.admin.ch/etc/medialib...Broschuere.pdf Neutral Greetings PB |
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Yes, my good buddy Eoin Stewart started Obelisk International LLC. His company was one of the first signatories of ICoC. His whole idea is honorable protective security for a number of venues, including humanitarian missions and the protection of socio-historical archeology and such. Warriors with a Conscience is the whole idea.... http://www.obelisk-international.com
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So, if my concept of human rights include that the human right of self-defense and the absolute God given right to keep and bear arms, that means I can run guns, regardless of national or international law, right? The concept of "human rights" has been overused so much as to be worthless in application. |
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So far 554 Private Security Companies have signed the Code of Conduct, most from UK and US:
http://lignesdedefense.blogs.ouest-f...ct-for-pr.html A list of 43 new signatories is also published: http://www.icoc-psp.org/uploads/Sign..._Companies.pdf as well as the complete list with all signatories: http://www.icoc-psp.org/uploads/Sign...RT_VERSION.pdf |
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Today Federal Councillor Simonetta Somaruga (Social Democrats) presented a draft law by which Switzerland hope to ban "mercenary acitivities" of security firms.
The law forsees a notification requirement for firms which want to do business outside Switzerland and the EU. The authorities then have the possibility to allow or decline the activity. In case of violation the confederation can sanction the companies. The text of the law and the communiquee is only available in German, French and Italian. Therefore, I post the link of the translated news release (Google). You find the news release here: http://translate.google.de/translate...msg-id%3D47532 The text of the bill: http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/content/dam...men/entw-d.pdf (German) The dispatch: http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/content/dam...rmen/bot-d.pdf (German) |
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So who is going guard the Pope now?
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Some background: Aegis Defence Services, the UK PMC, has its holding company based in Switzerland. Since they have grown to be a large company with operations in a number of countries - I would imagine this has raised issues with the matter of Swiss neutrality.
Some history: The Swiss banking industry developed as an outgrowth from the export of Swiss mercenaries during the 15th to 19th century.
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