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    Default widespread use among local Taliban units and spotters of various HF/VHF comms, plus v

    oh i'd assume Rex that they have the simpler gear to stay in touch. and i'd assume WE'D have a full snooping ability to intercept and listen in...wouldn't you?
    the com traffic would be a good thing to plot and evaluate with one of those supercomputers the government has laying idle.

    find out who's talking and where they are. lay down GPS guided bombs to everyone of them at the same time is what i'd suggest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howard View Post
    find out who's talking and where they are.
    lay down GPS guided bombs to everyone of them at the same
    time is what i'd suggest.
    Complication #1:
    Half of the people on the phone sit on a moving motorcycle, shadowing a MRAP patrol.

    Complication #2:
    The others sit in villages, among civilians. You'd get one possibly quite unimportant guy with a mobile phone and kill also his family of ten.

    There are reasons why the hundreds of thousands of soldiers who went to Afghanistan didn't solve the riddle yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    Complication #1:
    Half of the people on the phone sit on a moving motorcycle, shadowing a MRAP patrol.

    Complication #2:
    The others sit in villages, among civilians. You'd get one possibly quite unimportant guy with a mobile phone and kill also his family of ten.

    There are reasons why the hundreds of thousands of soldiers who went to Afghanistan didn't solve the riddle yet.
    The problem is that the Soviets (before) and the current US/UK approach to the war has been one characterised by the use of brute force and ignorance. Never going to work in a million years. I suggest that this thread is one about a recommended new approach where a more carefully targeted and precise tactical approach would be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMA View Post
    The problem is that the Soviets (before) and the current US/UK approach to the war has been one characterised by the use of brute force and ignorance. Never going to work in a million years. I suggest that this thread is one about a recommended new approach where a more carefully targeted and precise tactical approach would be used.
    That's not an accurate statement.

    Maybe true for the Soviets. They've never been very good at warfare, but the stellar opposite is true of the UK. Has the UK predominantly failed in the post 2001 context? Yes, I think it has, but this is not the historical norm.
    The UK is currently going through another "Crimea."
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    Crimea, Khartoum, Boers, Somme, Dardanelles, Dunkirk, Western Desert, Malaya, Dieppe, Arnhem, Suez?

    There's a bit more than just Crimea, Basra and Helmand on the list, Wilf!

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    Of course, his real expertise is in the area of sheep and goat husbandry.
    I heard that...

    Of late, I've also developed a knack for understanding how the locals are able to "push water uphill". It is a remarkable and age old process, yet abuses the land over time.

    And I never would have thunk that I would know that.

    To the question about Force Recon and Recon Battalion doing that sort of semi- pseudo ops, that's in the movies I'm afraid. There may be some urban recce skills taught out there, but it is impractical to try to employ mirror-image efforts at a large scale. I think we have a hard enough time trying to employ covert camouflague techniques for small recce elements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    I heard that...

    Of late, I've also developed a knack for understanding how the locals are able to "push water uphill". It is a remarkable and age old process, yet abuses the land over time.

    And I never would have thunk that I would know that.
    And they do this how? I have often thought how a very tall redwood tree "lifts" the water from below ground to the leaves. Easier to be told than to try and figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    Crimea
    A war the UK bungled.
    Khartoum, Boers, Somme, Dardanelles, Dunkirk, Western Desert, Malaya, Dieppe, Arnhem,
    Those were battles or operations that occurred in wars we won. At best they were failed operations. ALL armies have those.
    Suez?
    Nothing much wrong with the military conduct of that operation.
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    Hmm, considering the war goals of September 1939, the UK lost the European WW2 in Jalta 1943 - and that can be attributed to Dunkirk.

    With the same forgiving criteria that count WW2 as a UK win, you could also say that Irak was a UK win despite Basra - and the who knows how much the goals in AFG will be redefined...

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