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    Here in Northwest Indiana yesterday they laid off 34 firefighters substantively reducing the critical response capability. I see many of these municipalities that were floated by "stimulus" money now having to pay up.

    Messages filled with anything but holiday cheer were being delivered to nearly three dozen Gary firefighters starting Sunday.
    Fellow firefighters and the battalion chiefs were being forced to be the messengers of layoff news.
    One battalion chief, who asked to remain anonymous, said he resented having to hand deliver the notices to co-workers.
    "It's just not right," he told The Times.
    Gary Firefighters Union President Raynard Robinson also was upset by the timing of the 34 layoff letters.
    "It was poor timing to give out the notices the day after Christmas," Robinson said.
    This kind of reduction is just the beginning.
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    From an unexpected direction, a Swedish academic looks at the cause of recent rioting in parts of Stockholm and ends with:
    If, as expected, future studies find that political marginalization and socio-economic disadvantages are strongly linked to the violence, the natural conclusion is not to question the value of an open and tolerant multicultural society. On the contrary, it is more important than ever before to find ways to reduce political marginalization and socio-economic disadvantages in these city areas.
    Link:http://www.opendemocracy.net/can-eur...lm-riots-occur

    Rioting in the West is overwhelmingly an urban problem, either in headline-grabbing city centres or areas of disadvantaged housing. SWC has looked at rural rioting in China IIRC, it is a not infrequent issue in India or parts of Africa.

    Each nation creates a capability to respond, sometimes temporary as in England; in France, Italy & Spain a permanent, often "in your face" style.
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    Default Some Swedish input

    A Swedish response to the Open Democracy article:
    It´s a good article with many salient points. The police have long been struggling with the inner city suburbs and have little credibility there. Ii doesn’t help to recruit from minorities. A show of force didn’t work either and nowadays the police presence in the areas concerned is extremely limited. Cases often go without investigation because of lack of resources and help from the population. Immigrants in those are treated as a people apart from the rest and left to solve their own problems. There is a strong suspicion e.g. that three recent deaths around here in which three girls fell to their death from balconies were honor killings but nothing can be proved and prosecutors have even stated publicly that they have no chance of ever getting convictions in these cases. However, there are also quite a few criminal gangs taking advantage of the situation and, very unfortunately, the police shooting that is mentioned in the article is now cast in doubt since different versions of what really happened have surfaced and police officers are publicly criticizing each other. It’s a mess and there is no solution in sight. Personally I think a combination of all the solutions is needed and above all to make sure that people living in the areas get jobs. The unemployment rate in these areas is 70-90%!
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