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    Default Auction of LtCol Reid-Daly memorabilia

    http://www.swelco.co.za/KNYSNA/

    A few interesting items (pgs.25-27) once possessed by the LtCol, along with several other interesting pieces of Selous Scouts and RLI history are up for auction in SA.

    There's some buzz afoot decrying the auction to Daly's items, but after further research by a member from another board, the items going up are actually a matter of his last wishes and are known (in fact many are posted on the website) to the Scouts Association.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    http://www.swelco.co.za/KNYSNA/

    A few interesting items (pgs.25-27) once possessed by the LtCol, along with several other interesting pieces of Selous Scouts and RLI history are up for auction in SA.

    There's some buzz afoot decrying the auction to Daly's items, but after further research by a member from another board, the items going up are actually a matter of his last wishes and are known (in fact many are posted on the website) to the Scouts Association.
    A similar situation developed over the auction of Lt-Gen Peter Walls' memorabilia. See here page 195 onwards.

    Walls' action raised R750,000 (approx US$100,000) and were sold to private collectors. Those that were adamant that the items should remain "in the family" and/or in a museum specialising in Rhodesiana failed to come up with the bucks to make that happen.

    The same will happen to Uncle Ron's stuff (sadly).

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    Default Choppertech book

    This is Beaver Shaw’s long awaited work! Beaver was a K-Car gunner in 7 and 8 Squadron’s of the Rhodesian Air Force. He is credited with having shot down a fixed wing aircraft, from his K-Car in 1979.
    This book covers the author's and other crewmen's experiences in No 7 Alouette Squadron as helicopter Technicians/Gunners who flew numerous operational sorties in Alouette G and K Car gunships on Fire Force operations during the Rhodesian Bush War. The Alouette III helicopters were extensively used within Rhodesia as well as on external operations into Zambia, Botswana and Mocambique. Beaver served during latter stages of the war - 1976-1980, and has the unique distinction as being the only gunner during the bush war who is credited with a successful Air to Air contact, when he shot down a Botswana Defence Force Islander plane, using the K-Car's 20mm cannon. This occurred during a difficult extraction of Selous Scouts troops who had just attacked a ZIPRA base in Francistown.
    We’ll be able to advice price and further details shortly, but to register interest and reserve a copy, email steve@30degreesouth.co.uk now! or in SA canic@mweb.co.za
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    Ahhhh..another drain on the funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawzie View Post
    This is Beaver Shaw’s long awaited work! Beaver was a K-Car gunner in 7 and 8 Squadron’s of the Rhodesian Air Force. He is credited with having shot down a fixed wing aircraft, from his K-Car in 1979.
    This book covers the author's and other crewmen's experiences in No 7 Alouette Squadron as helicopter Technicians/Gunners who flew numerous operational sorties in Alouette G and K Car gunships on Fire Force operations during the Rhodesian Bush War. The Alouette III helicopters were extensively used within Rhodesia as well as on external operations into Zambia, Botswana and Mocambique. Beaver served during latter stages of the war - 1976-1980, and has the unique distinction as being the only gunner during the bush war who is credited with a successful Air to Air contact, when he shot down a Botswana Defence Force Islander plane, using the K-Car's 20mm cannon. This occurred during a difficult extraction of Selous Scouts troops who had just attacked a ZIPRA base in Francistown.
    We’ll be able to advice price and further details shortly, but to register interest and reserve a copy, email steve@30degreesouth.co.uk now! or in SA canic@mweb.co.za
    Glad to see this book from an air-force perspective is finally to be published. It will be a valuable addition to the relatively few books written on the Rhodesian bush-war and by someone who was right up there where it was all happening at the tactical level.

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    Default Why did you fight? Narratives of the Rhodesian Insurgency c.1970-1980'

    'Why did you fight? Narratives of the Rhodesian Insurgency c.1970-1980' is a UK-based academic oral history project, which conducted interviews - in the UK - and had questionnaires returned by others. I've just found it has been published and it is a good background read.

    Link:http://www1.uwe.ac.uk/cahe/hpp/resea...tfindings.aspx

    There is a link to the eighteen page final report (PDF format).
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    Default New Book - The Search for Puma 164

    A new book on the Rhodesian war has been published.

    The Search for Puma 164
    Operation Uric and the Assault on Mapai
    Neill Jackson & Rick van Malsen
    ISBN: 978-1-920143-57-2

    The battle for Mapai … and the final closure

    September 6, 1979. Into the deepening darkness of the African night, a lone Aerospatiale Puma helicopter flies resolutely northward, leaving behind the desolation of the battle for Mapai, in Mozambique’s Gaza Province. Huddled in the cabin, two weary soldiers sit silently immersed in their own thoughts, contemplating their difficult duties ahead. The taller of the two, WOII Graham Enslin, CSM, Support Commando, Rhodesian Light Infantry (RLI), is struggling to come to terms with the death in action that morning of his younger brother Brian. He wonders how to break the news to his parents. The other, Lt Rick van Malsen BCR, 2IC, 1 Commando, 1RLI, works through the list of names in his hand, names of the 16 men who perished with Trooper Brian Enslin when a South African Air Force Puma was shot out of the sky during the assault on the Frelimo and ZANLA stronghold at Mapai on the much-feared, so-called ‘Russian Front’. It will be his job to send out the official death notices and to advise the next of kin that the bodies of the three South African airmen and 14 Rhodesian soldiers were not recovered. Both men vow that night, each for reasons of his own, to one day return to the scene of the crash to pay proper tribute to the fallen men: the aircrew and troops of Puma 164.

    April 11, 2009. And so it was, almost 30 years later, that Rick van Malsen returns to the scene of that horrendous battle, to search for the crash site of the downed Puma, in an effort to achieve closure for the relatives of the dead. This is a story of courage and devotion to duty but, above all, it is a story of comradeship and loyalty undimmed by the passage of time, of a band of brothers bonded together in war, united still in peace.

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    Default Selous Scouts and Pseudo Operations During The Rhodesian Bush War

    I would like to write a thesis on the Rhodesian Bush War, specifically the use of Pseudo Operations of the selous scouts and the use of blackface as a tool of deception against African guerillas. I had to abandon my hopes of writing a thesis on the toyota war because I couldn't find any primary sources. Does anyone know of an actual selous scout member that participated in the blackface aspect of the war that I could interview? Or any good books or documents? Thanks.

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    My thesis partners and I wrote a thesis on "Pseudo Operations & Deception in Irregular Conflict" in 2009 for John Arquilla at the Naval Postgraduate School. I'd be glad to send you a copy to review our bibliography for source info. If you like, send your email address via PM to enable an exchange.
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    The Blackface stuff you are considering for your paper might be less interesting than the means by which the Rhodesians converted captured terrorists and made them into 'good guys'...cheers

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    My friend, have you stopped beating your wife?

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    Default Terrorist conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Smith-Jones View Post
    The Blackface stuff you are considering for your paper might be less interesting than the means by which the Rhodesians converted captured terrorists and made them into 'good guys'...cheers
    Jake,

    This question has been posed before IIRC, cannot recall now in which thread, but did not get a full answer. The Rhodesian thread was just searched, using pseudo and found very little. so will have to look elsewhere. The Rhodesian thread is:http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...ead.php?t=2090

    Anecdote suggested in Rhodesia captured guerillas were shocked not to be killed, given a cigarette, offered an alternative to court and potentially death. Plus as the Selous Scouts showed changing sides was very profitable, IIRC there was a per capita reward.

    A South African Police brigadier was famous for his skill in persuading prisoners to convert; he had been posted to Rhodesia. Somewhere I have a video of him.
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    Default Pseudo Operations of the selous scouts: pointers

    Quote Originally Posted by student2010 View Post
    I would like to write a thesis on the Rhodesian Bush War, specifically the use of Pseudo Operations of the selous scouts and the use of blackface as a tool of deception against African guerillas. I had to abandon my hopes of writing a thesis on the toyota war because I couldn't find any primary sources. Does anyone know of an actual selous scout member that participated in the blackface aspect of the war that I could interview? Or any good books or documents? Thanks.
    Student2010,

    Have a look in the Rhodesian War thread, that refers to several potential sources, mainly books. Given the time lapse and feelings over history I would be surprised if any former-Selous Scout will talk. One post does refer to an Scouts association, so maybe worth contacting.
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    Default Securing and Holding Rural Terrain

    Published this morning in the Journal

    Securing and Holding Rural Terrain:
    Use of Pseudo Teams and Airmobile “Very-Light” Infantry Quick Reaction Forces in Rhodesia Counter-Insurgency Operations
    by Timothy Bax and Steven Hatfill

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    Default Securing and Holding Rural Terrain

    Published this morning in the Journal

    Securing and Holding Rural Terrain:
    Use of Pseudo Teams and Airmobile “Very-Light” Infantry Quick Reaction Forces in Rhodesia Counter-Insurgency Operations
    by Timothy Bax and Steven Hatfill
    Last edited by davidbfpo; 08-12-2011 at 03:52 PM. Reason: Copied here for continuity purposes

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeF View Post
    Published this morning in the Journal

    Securing and Holding Rural Terrain:
    Use of Pseudo Teams and Airmobile “Very-Light” Infantry Quick Reaction Forces in Rhodesia Counter-Insurgency Operations
    by Timothy Bax and Steven Hatfill
    This is a good document and reflects accurately the Fireforce concept of my personal experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeF View Post
    Published this morning in the Journal

    Securing and Holding Rural Terrain:
    Use of Pseudo Teams and Airmobile “Very-Light” Infantry Quick Reaction Forces in Rhodesia Counter-Insurgency Operations
    by Timothy Bax and Steven Hatfill
    This is a good document and reflects accurately the Fireforce concept of my personal experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by student2010 View Post
    I would like to write a thesis on the Rhodesian Bush War, specifically the use of Pseudo Operations of the selous scouts and the use of blackface as a tool of deception against African guerillas. I had to abandon my hopes of writing a thesis on the toyota war because I couldn't find any primary sources. Does anyone know of an actual selous scout member that participated in the blackface aspect of the war that I could interview? Or any good books or documents? Thanks.
    davidbfpo has given good advice on this matter.

    Three books of essential reading are as follows:

    The War of the Running Dogs: Malaya 1948-1960 - Malaya

    Gangs and counter-gangs - Kenya

    Pamwe Chete: The Legend of the Selous Scouts - Rhodesia

    Which country are you in? That would indicate what your chances are of meeting with primary sources who know what they are talking about.

    Success in this regard depends largely on your approach. Remember that these guys have been pestered over the years by people wanting information and are tired of it all. If the approach is made in a professional and academic manner you would be most likely to obtain a positive response.

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    Default Pseudo Ops/Rhodesian COIN

    Lots of interesting stuff out there.

    http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...ead.php?t=2090

    Lessons for Contemporary Counterinsurgencies
    The Rhodesian Experience
    Hoffman, Taw, Arnold
    RAND, 1991

    Bush War
    The Use of Surrogates in Southern Africa (1975-1989)
    MAJ Joseph E. Escandon
    Fort Leavenworth

    The Utility of Military Deception during Counterinsurgency
    Major Maxwell S. Thibodeaux
    Fort Leavenworth

    http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute...les/pub607.pdf

    http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art...and-terrorists

    PSEUDO OPERATIONS AND COUNTERINSURGENCY:
    LESSONS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES
    Lawrence E. Cline
    June 2005
    http://www.carlisle.army.mil/ssi

    Evans, Michael(2007) 'The Wretched of the Empire: Politics, Ideology and Counterinsurgency in Rhodesia, 1965-80', Small Wars & Insurgencies, 18: 2, 175 — 195

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    The gold standard is the Reid-Daly book, Pamwe Chete, or alternately titled Selous Scouts: Top Secret War. Good luck finding a copy that is affordable. I think I scored one of the last ones, from the NOVA webpage store, of all places, many years ago.

    I am heartened to see the SWJ article, and to see that veterans of that conflict are taking the time to put their insights down on paper. It's sort of odd to see the JRT Wood illustrations though. I browsed the article and went straight to the core arguments of application, so I wonder if they give credit, as I did not see that cited in the body of their article. There is a link to the JRT Wood page here: http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...0&postcount=68

    There are a great number of limitations that would make it difficult to translate the Fire Force of old into an effective counter-insurgent force for Afghanistan. Part of the problem is simple fact of training. We didn't fight that way before the Long War began (though I certainly advocated it some while ago), and trying to adapt to these tactics would require paradigm shifts of enormous proportion.that the Army and Marine Corps just simple cannot make these days.

    I think it's a bit off course to reference holding rural territory in the title of article. The Rhodesian Security Forces in the form of the Scouts/RLI/RAR were not holding territory as much as they were interdicting the infiltration of the terr gangs coming from across the border. Once they got far enough, the difficulties of countering and killing them became magnified by a significant factor. For some reason, I remember a reference or statement somewhere that it became 4x harder to make kills once the gang had made it to certain regions of the TTLs.

    Insurgent mobility is widely different between gangs of ZIPRA/ZANLA coming across the borders, and how Afghan insurgents move and operate, so that has to be considered as well.

    Pseudo operations factor in sanctuary/area denial for sure, if applied the right way, but I don't think enough people recognize the juice being worth the squeeze in the current operating environment.

    Anyway, find the Reid-Daly book before you go any further.

    ETA-I just went back to the Rhodesian COIN thread and read all 12 pages, including a number of the linked documents and referring links. Man...good sh*t throughout that thread.

    Haha...I realized that I'm about as good as a broken record. Most of my points were already posted here: http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...ad.php?t=10742

    At least I'm fairly consistent.
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