And Libya goes on...

[Graycap]

given that neither of the contesting parties is likely to be able to govern Libya postwar and none of the intervening parties have shown any desire to govern Libya.

Absolutely. This is the problem to solve an this problem really needs time and political maneuver not more bombs. European countries can't bomb a solution out. This is the cornerstone of the italian position. We don't have to creae anew complete failed state in the Mediterrean. Libya was a pseudo-state and this "insurgency" should be leveraged towards a better end-state. A long controlled evolution is more promising than a "jawbreaker" replay. In this framewrk force could have a role.

We have to create a situation where no one can "win" and where everybody will have to search for a political solution. Italy, in my opinion, is working in this direction.

And, if we think about the regional turmoil, it could be the most promising one.

[M-A Lagrange]

Absolutely. This is the problem to solve an this problem really needs time and political maneuver not more bombs. European countries can't bomb a solution out. This is the cornerstone of the italian position. We don't have to creae anew complete failed state in the Mediterrean. Libya was a pseudo-state and this "insurgency" should be leveraged towards a better end-state. A long controlled evolution is more promising than a "jawbreaker" replay. In this framewrk force could have a role.

We have to create a situation where no one can "win" and where everybody will have to search for a political solution. Italy, in my opinion, is working in this direction.

And, if we think about the regional turmoil, it could be the most promising one.

I personnaly think that EU has been too quick to rehabilitate Lybia and Itali in the first place. This in the name of populaist domestic politic over immigration.

Lybia was a fake state, a failed state is something you can start to work with.

[Dayuhan]

We have to create a situation where no one can "win" and where everybody will have to search for a political solution. Italy, in my opinion, is working in this direction.

Out of curiosity, what sort of political solution are the Italians working toward, and what are they doing to get there?

[Graycap]

Out of curiosity, what sort of political solution are the Italians working toward, and what are they doing to get there?

IMHO Italian strategic ends could be as follows:

- a united Libya
- a libyan government able to manage a transition (legitimated by a political solution and not by a direct intervention)
- a confirmation of the agreements signed in 2008
- keep France and GB at bay.

Let's talk about means:

- a political and diplomatic work to offer a possible partner that is not actually invoved in armed resolution of conflict (Our planes don't shoot! ). If the shooting should stop tomorrow without "victory" Italy's status (politically speaking) would be unaffected.
- engage with CNT in a long term (let's be optimistic!) relation. Let's see the camel before of the money.
- Make clear to CNT that this is their liberation "war" and they have to make the real work.
- Avoid at all costs a direct intervention with the boots.
- Military speking make good of our position to gain at cheap price political weight.

And now ways:

-Mantain a low profile. This Libyan affaire could be very explosive in internal politics. (The French are working in this sense with the manipulation of tunisian immigrants issue).
-Let's the French bleed themselves in an absurd campaign with no beginning and no end.
- Do not take any position that could jeopardize our political maneuvering.
- Buy time. Time will show if CNT is for real or is just a spinned solution out of neocolonialism.
- Pose somekind of doubts about the overall posture (Out of Lebanon? Out of Afghanistan? Out of Kosovo that's pretty sure...)

Hope to have been able to make clear my points.

Greetings