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Edit to add: This RAND study, published earlier this year, also takes a pretty good look at the issue: How Should the Army Use Contractors on the Battlefield? Assessing Comparative Risk in Sourcing Decisions Last edited by Jedburgh; 12-04-2005 at 05:47 PM. |
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25 January LA Times commentary - Our Mercenaries in Iraq by Jeremy Scahill.
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What I think the President was prevailing upon the American people for was to volunteer their services (out of a military uniform) and sacrifice some of their time for modest compensation. I've heard others express sentiment for Heinlen - I agree with in-alienable rights to a degree, but the vast majority of Americans have no understanding the gifts that have been secured them through the sacrifices of others. There is some attraction to this in that a parent who serves a significant portion of their life might feel as though they've earned it for their children, so that they in turn might not have to sacrifice. That may be a good thing, but it may not if conditions have changed to a point that in order to secure our freedoms we must have a greater degree of generational sacrifice. Heinlen explored the question of sacrifice and rewards in a republic. I think we need to consider the same question as it applies to our own future. I've seen many here who would be willing to sacrifice a great deal to enjoy the fruits of U.S. citizenship. Many would make exceptional Americans, that is they would understand the full value of being an American and enjoying its freedoms. As for MR. Scahill's comments - its supply and demand. If more were willing to sacrifice, then its unlikely Balckwater would enjoy the success that it does and thus be able to charge the prices that allow it to expand it capabilities and enter other markets. I'd recommend that if MR Scahill is concerned he pick up a rucksack, if we could fill out the Army and Marines, and perhaps create a volunteer Corps with unique capabilities that was willing to do it for reasonable money, then he would not have needed to write his OP/ED. |
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I am not necessarily the biggest fan of PMCs for reasons that have been been laid out by several members of this board, though I am not against them either, per se. But this kind of alarmist crap serves no purpose other than creating paranoia. Reading this article you would think that Blackwater is only a phone call away from overthrowing the government. Scahill obviously knows that most Americans have no idea what contractors are doing in Iraq and he uses that to build the picture of tens of thousands of "mercenaries" running loose in Iraq doing whatever they want while Blackwater builds its huge "secret" army in order to further the evil goals of the neo-cons. Scary stuff if you don't know any better.
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4 February Washington Post - Security Contracts to Continue in Iraq by Walter Pincus.
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Check out Falcon, they seem to be looking to expand their services to fill a niche. I concur with the statement about our underfunded and under-resourced organic capabilities. PMCs seem to be poised to take advantage of a "need". I would call this in large part a self inflicted gunshot wound on our part. We may never be able to rectify this.
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I'm curious about your comment. Falcon is a Kurdish owned outfit which supports both coalition and Kurdish specific interests.
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PMCs are expanding to fill other roles - its getting more grey not less. Where there is a need and some initiative, there is a way to make some money. However as far as any PMCs go, I'm not sure I agree with the word "support" in the way I would normally apply it to military relationships. There are some good people working for Falcon and the other PMCs - but I think the word "contract" is a better description. It provides a pretty set left and right limit for a "service" vs. a supporting relationship such as say a support BN to a line unit. The motivation is different (even if the individual working that PMC would like to do more) as well. They are useful, but that doesn't mean there are not disadvantages to using them, even if you don't see them up front. |
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Interesting article on Tim Spicer in Vanity Fair written by Robert Baer. I couldn't find it on this site. If its already posted, please delete.
As a former C.I.A. agent, the author knows how mercenaries work: in the shadows. But how did a notorious former British officer, Tim Spicer, come to coordinate the second-largest army in Iraq—the tens of thousands of private security contractors? by Robert Baer April 2007 http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...urrentPage=all |
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In the footsteps of Rolf Steiner?
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All Hands On Deck – Radically Reorienting Private Security in Iraq by Malcolm Nance at Small Wars Journal Blog.
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Just saw this on John Robb's blog:
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No, he's wrong ... there are over 130,000 CONTRACTORS of all types in Iraq including 75,000 Iraqis. US combat forces stands at 160,000, unless I am mistaken.
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I have no clue if he's correct on the number of shooter PMC bods -- nor do I care. However, with 160K total troops plus or minus in country, nominal shooters or 'combat troops' will run about 33% -- or about 52K. Done another way there are about 30 Bn Cbt Tms plus other elements including some CS units serving as Inf so that puts the trigger pullers over 40K in all probability -- thus if Robb is right, he's wrong. Again.
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there are closer to 180,000 contractors there and upwards of 50k are security contractors. When Gen Shinseki suggested a few hundred thousand troops, we was surely assuming the force would be somewhat unified. He surely didn't imagine that over half of the force would be outside the command structure, virtual black boxes to ground commanders, and operating tactically willfully in many cases ignoring strategic consequences of their actions.
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Looks like SecDef Gates has been reading Abu Buckwheat ...
Pentagon sees one authority over contractors - NYTIMES - 16 Oct. Quote:
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in terms of resoving the immediate and near term problem. His proposal also goes a long way toward defining what should be the proper command relationship between PSCs and the USG in future operations. What he doesn't address - and this is not a criticism - is the proper role of PSCs (and other contractors.
The expanded role of contractors including PSCs was a long time in the making. I watched contracting expand during the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton administrations long before the current war. I have seen contractors, including PSCs, performing appropriate roles extremely well. But I have also seen abuse and, more importantly, role expansion into areas that I believe properly belong to the government and the government alone. One issue in contracting - especially for PSCs - is the terms of the contract. I am quite sure that the terms of Blackwater's contract with DOS are reasonably interpreted to protect their FSO charges against any and all threats by whatever means are necessary. Such a contract - one that is open to this type of interpretation - is certainly a part of the problem. The culprit here is not the PSC but its client (in this case DOS which seems to have forgotten that its FSOs are commissioned officers of the USG and, therefore, can be required to take risks that other civilian employees do not have to take). At the same time, the PSC should not be off the hook for overzealous (at best) behavior in what appears at first glance to be a "shoot first and ask questions later" approach to personnel security. Mr, Nance's proposal would go a long way toward resolving this problem as well as providing time to develop appropriate policies and roles for government contractors and, especially, PSCs. |
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