And Libya goes on...

[Dayuhan]

What is consistent is the evidence that the Obama Administration does not have the vaguest idea of what's going on and how to proceed in Libya. What we are quite possibly witnessing is the most inept Administration in US history.

They're not proceeding as you think they should. That doesn't mean they don't know whats going on and it doesn't mean they're inept, it just means their opinions on appropriate response are different from yours.

Spin the situation as much as you wish but what the world is witnessing is the horror of a US President Leading from behind

I decline to be horrified, and I find your spin to be on the hyperventilated and over-horrified side... but if that's what pleases you, spin away.

[JMA]

They're not proceeding as you think they should. That doesn't mean they don't know whats going on and it doesn't mean they're inept, it just means their opinions on appropriate response are different from yours.

Dithering, vacillation, hesitancy etc are hardly indicators of self assured policy implementation.

You should read the article and also the one in the New Yorker - THE CONSEQUENTIALIST

Then do try to read a little more widely. It might seem clever to present what I say here to be merely the personal opinion of an individual. You will be amazed how many people there are out there who do not share your interpretation of how Obama is playing the Libyan situation ... and so would not be buying your spin anytime soon.

[blueblood]

Nato strike 'kills Gaddafi's youngest son'

Libyan official says son and three of Libyan leader's grandsons killed in air strike, but NATO is yet to confirm deaths.

Saif al-Arab Gaddafi, the youngest son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, and three of his grandchildren have been killed in a NATO air strike

The 29-year-old Saif al-Arab Gaddafi is the most unknown of the Libyan leader's children, Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught, reporting from Tunisia, said. He's one of the low-profile of his children and has been largely invisible since the conflict began", He hasn't been visible in any significant form. He hasn't appeared on TV or made any speeches, he hasn't been on any crowd-rallying marches.

Al Jazeera's Sue Turton, reporting from Benghazi, said there were "an awful lot" of suggestions in Libya that the news of the deaths could be fabricated.

NATO statement:

NATO continued its precision strikes against Gaddafi regime military installations in Tripoli overnight, including striking a known command and control building in the Bab al-Azizya neighbourhood shortly after 1800 GMT Saturday evening. All NATO's targets are military in nature and have been clearly linked to the... regime's systematic attacks on the Libyan population and populated areas. We do not target individuals..

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/af...755721620.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...73T2HV20110430

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/01/nato-...-official.html

[Dayuhan]

Dithering, vacillation, hesitancy etc are hardly indicators of self assured policy implementation.

Again, all of those are your own opinions.

You should read the article and also the one in the New Yorker - THE CONSEQUENTIALIST

Then do try to read a little more widely. It might seem clever to present what I say here to be merely the personal opinion of an individual. You will be amazed how many people there are out there who do not share your interpretation of how Obama is playing the Libyan situation ... and so would not be buying your spin anytime soon.

I read widely and make up my own mind. Your opinion is only your opinion, as mine is only mine. There are plenty of people out there who do not share your interpretation of how Obama is playing the Libyan situation, and will not be buying your spin any time soon. Not all of them agree with how the situation is being handled, but their disagreements aren't necessarily yours. As always, there's a wide diversity of opinions out there, and none of them are necessarily right. To characterize those that differ from yours as incompetent dithering nutlessness or apologism for the same is to assign your own opinion an exalted status that no opinion deserves.

Worth noting that SWJ is a place that attracts a specific audience that is better informed and more aware of these matters than most general audiences would be... how many here share your opinions?

[Entropy]

It might seem clever to present what I say here to be merely the personal opinion of an individual. You will be amazed how many people there are out there who do not share your interpretation of how Obama is playing the Libyan situation ... and so would not be buying your spin anytime soon.

I would not be surprised at all. Non-trivial numbers of people believe all kinds of things, and some of those things are fatuous nonsense. Others are merely differences of opinion while still others may agree, but prioritize differently. People disagree with President Obama on a lot of things - so what? Second-guessing Presidential decisions isn't exactly new.

[JMA]

Worth noting that SWJ is a place that attracts a specific audience that is better informed and more aware of these matters than most general audiences would be... how many here share your opinions?

And I am supposed to give a rats ass about that?

Some around here seem to be pretty informed and provide valuable information to those seeking it... then there are a fair percentage that are clearly way out in left field and have little idea of what they are talking about.