Happy Nowruz

[Tom Odom]

The 3rd people of the "book" meaning the Qur'an. Much symbology is attached to fire as part of this belief system.

The symbol of fire: The energy of the creator is represented in Zoroastrianism by fire and the sun which are both enduring, radiant, pure and life sustaining. Zoroastrians usually pray in front of some form of fire (or any source of light). (It is important to note that fire is not worshipped by Zoroastrians, but is used simply as symbol and a point of focus, much like the crucifix in Christianity. For details, see Fire temple)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

For Slapout:

"…I profess myself a devotee of Mazda, a follower of Zarathustra."

has nothing to do with RX-7s or RX-8s

Best

Tom

[Sarajevo071]

To learn more (and to maybe confuse you even more) see Mithraism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism

The term "Mithraism" is modern. In antiquity, texts refer to "the mysteries of Mithras", and to its adherents, as "the mysteries of the Persians." This latter epithet is significant, not for whether the Mithraists considered the object of their devotion a Persian divinity, but for the fact that the devotees were convinced that their religion was founded by Zoroaster.

Tom, isn’t true that major “fault” of Mithraism and Zoroastrianism was that duality of Divinity? I believe that’s reason why Roman Empire went in coalition with Islamic Empire and wage war against Persians. Early Christians took heavily from Mithraism and adopt many similarities in they own teachings. Even in descriptions of birth of Mithra and Jesus, and the way of coming back… They say even today you can see some carvings of Mithraism in Vatican.

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To learn more (and to maybe confuse you even more) see Mithraism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism


Tom, isn’t true that major “fault” of Mithraism and Zoroastrianism was that duality of Divinity? I believe that’s reason why Roman Empire went in coalition with Islamic Empire and wage war against Persians. Early Christians took heavily from Mithraism and adopt many similarities in they own teachings. Even in descriptions of birth of Mithra and Jesus, and the way of coming back… They say even today you can see some carvings of Mithraism in Vatican.

Mithraism was one of many mystery religions prevalent in the Roman Empire around the beginning of the Christian Era. Others included the Dionysiac cult; the cults of the Great Mother, Cybele, and Sol Invictus; and practitioners of the Eleusian Mysteries to name just a few. It is not completely clear from where Mithraism originated--most allege from Persian Mazdeism/Zoroastrianism, but some say it came from Phrygia (a client state and later Roman province on the Anatolian Peninsula--home of King Midas of golden touch fame), pointing to the Phrygian cap that Mithras wears in his iconography. Mithraism was believed to have been extensively practiced within the legions, that is, it was a religion for soldiers. According to one version, Mithras was the son of the god of light who was killed in a struggle with the god of darkness. He supposedly was resurrected from the dead after 3 days. Some scholars allege that it was a prime contender with early Christianity for becoming the religious hegemon in the Empire. The argument goes on that it lost out because it, unlike Chrisitianity, excluded women.

As far as I know no coalition existed between Romans and Arabs, especially not Islamic Arabs, to wage war against the Persians. For one thing, Rome ceased to exist as an Empire long before the birth of Mohammed. The Byzantine successor to Rome in the East alled itself with Germanic barbarians, like Goths and Vandals, not Arabs. During an earlier period (3rd Century AD), one Roman emperor was know as Philip the Arab--he may have been from Palmyra, which, under its queen Zenobia, served as a bulwark against Persian incursions against the Roman Empire during the period after the death of Commodus called the military anarchy.

[slapout9]

Sarajevo, thanks for the links it is very interesting. Good Reflections,Good Words,Good Deeds I can live with that.


Tom, I think I am too and all this time I thought I was a Baptist I never new their was a relationship to Zen and the concept of Right Livelihood, Dharma, etc. until reading all the links.

[J Wolfsberger]

slapout9,

Don't leave out Zen and the RX-8.

Regards,

[Tom Odom]

Sarajevo, you jumped about 10 levels ahead of my understanding in this arena.

Wolfberger, you have to admit this would make an interesting "Firebird"-type hood on an RX-8

And Slapout as a fellow Baptist who fell long ago, you are a Baptist. They do not have rattle snakes in Iran so they could never be "real" Baptists.

Now I know I am gonna get stoned, pilloried, and perhaps worse

Tom

[J Wolfsberger]

Wolfberger, you have to admit this would make an interesting "Firebird"-type hood on an RX-8

It would indeed. But, Slapout, I learned the hard way in Mobile that driving a red (closest I could get to Crimson) Camero is trouble. I recommend White.

The emblem will stand out nicely.

Roll Tide,

[slapout9]

Hi Jay, ah yes "Zen and the art of RX8 maintenance" I will have to remember that. Red cars which tend to be "Fast Movers" will always get stopped by Alabama State Troopers, I'm telling you it is pathological with them. Reminds me of that old Dodge commercial "You in a heap a trouble boy,operating a racing type vehicle in the city limits" Thats right Roll Tide!

Tom, snakes are your friends. You remember that guy in Miami??Hess I think is name was, he was bitten over a hundred times by Cobras. He started injecting himself with the venom in small doses and actually became immune. Used to be the largest producing of Cobra anti-venom in the world. Now that is a Baptist!

[Jedburgh]

...a simple Nevroz piroz be turned into an interesting discussion....that could perhaps profit from being moved up into the Social Sciences, Moral and Religious forum....

[Tom Odom]

...a simple Nevroz piroz be turned into an interesting discussion....that could perhaps profit from being moved up into the Social Sciences, Moral and Religious forum....

Guess I lowered that bar.....

[J Wolfsberger]

...a simple Nevroz piroz be turned into an interesting discussion....that could perhaps profit from being moved up into the Social Sciences, Moral and Religious forum....

I guess if it moves it would have to be there. SWJ doesn't have an automotive forum...

Sam, I don't know if Baptist has anything to do with RX-8. My hunch is we should all be driving two seaters or sports coupes. Right now, I prefer Mustang. But the RX-8 is on the agenda a couple years down the road (if Dodge drops the ball on the new Challenger).

[slapout9]

1970 Redneck Sheriff Dodge Challanger commercial. "Now look Boy I no A race car when I see one."

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1WICosbX8k