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Overall I found the comparison stretched and in fundamentals flawed. First of all if you read the submarine and anti-submarine histories of WWII, you will find that in the professional Navy submarine warfare was accepted as a matter of course. In the eyes of the American (and generally Allied) press, abhorence at German pursuit of unrestricted submarine warfare was matched by absolute glee (especially in WWII) of US and Allied unrestricted submarine warfare.
Secondly I believe the British hesitation to shift back to convoys is overstated. The Brits--and especially the Canadians--became the masters of such operations by the time the US openly entered the war (versus the shadow war of 1939-1941). It is accurate to say that the Brits along with the US lagged behind in developing ASW technologies between the wars--as we did in most other technolgical fields as applied to warfare. We--the US--failed to field a reliable torpedo until (as I recall) late 1942 or early 1943. Third the author misses two of the key elements in what became an EXTREMELY successful ASW fight by mid war. The enigma code breaking allowed much defensive success through U Boat (and Wolfpack) detection. Second the use of combat air patrols--especially the introduction of the Jeep Carrier task Force--meant the German U Boat force was driven umder. Innovations such as snorkels helped them survive; but they essentially surrendered all initiative once that happened. Indeed assignment to the U Boat force by late 43 into 44 was a death sentence. As for COIN and strategies, I don't get his point beyond one cannot pursue a tactical military campaign as the sole element in COIN. I do not believe any commander sees such a tactical solution as the answer. he also seems to confuse/equate "search and destroy" ala Viet Nam with Cordon and Search in Iraq. The two are NOT the same. Quote:
Now one thing that has not been mentioned on here or elsewhere as an offensive tool in COIN is the use of infiltrator/impersonator anti-insurgent forces along the lines used by the Brits agains the Mau Mau in Kenya with great success and by the Rhodesians (Selous Scouts) in that civil war. Perhaps a move along those lines might offer a blending of the tactical and strategic espoused by this paper. Don't get me wrong. I do encourage reading this paper. It is as Jedburg states. Quote:
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Interesting review of the use and success of the Morice Line in Algeria. I was surprised that the only comparison made was to the failed McNamara Line, and not to the Israeli Barrier or Indo-Paki barrier.
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Same tactics applied in Rhodesia with belts of mines along the borders with Zambia and Mozambique. Somewhat effective but at the same time offered a ready supply of explosives for the audacious and lucky insurgent.
Another is the "good fence" established along the Israeli border with Lebanon; of course, the Israeli security zone established 1978 was actually north of the fence and included Major Haddad's South Lebanese Army. Then again we can go waaaaaaay back to Hadrian's Wall in Britain or even the Great Wall of China. I too was surprised that he would offer the McNamara "wall" which was an electronic sensor field reinforced with firepower, much the same way the US at times tracked the ever shifting Ho Chi Minh Trail. My very first platoon was the Unattended Ground Sensor platoon in the 82d that used the same systems. The 101st had one and the Marines had an equivalent structure. |
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