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    An AKP decision to buy Russian weapons..
    Too late, IIRC Turkey has purchased Russian weapons before today: MLRS, wheeled APCs and small arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Too late, IIRC Turkey has purchased Russian weapons before today: MLRS, wheeled APCs and small arms.
    Alot of Eastern Bloc weapons Turkey has are ex-DDR acquired at bargain basement prices and sourced from W. Germany.
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    Related?

    Turkish aircraft have attacked 60 sites in northern Iraq used as bases by the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) in a "successful" operation, military headquarters said in a statement.

    It followed an attack by the rebel group that killed nine Turkish troops.

    The statement said the military would press ahead with strikes until the rebels were "rendered ineffective".
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Too late, IIRC Turkey has purchased Russian weapons before today: MLRS, wheeled APCs and small arms.
    It’s the big stuff like warships and fighter aircraft that counts, where it is just as much diplomacy as it is an arms deal. Then it gets into countertrades, offset agreements, industrial cooperation, etc. Nobody pays just cash in those deals.

    Small arms, APCs, MLRS on the other hand are relatively simple; they don’t require significant foreign training, and spare parts can probably be sourced from other FSU countries. These kinds of deals don’t have that much money and people going back-and-forth, and do not represent a significant shift in relations.
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    ISTANBUL, Jan 6 (Reuters) - Former Turkish armed forces chief General Ilker Basbug spent his first night behind bars on Friday, charged with trying to overthrow the government in an unprecedented development likely to exacerbate tensions with the military.
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    Default One explanation what is going on?

    I am still trying to follow this developing situation, with the current Islamic government pursuing via the criminal justice route the leadership of the army and other critics.

    Hat tip to FP Blog for offering a background explanation, 'Behind Bars in the Deep State' which is sub-titled:
    Does a shadowy mullah in Pennsylvania really hold the reins of power in Turkey? If not, then why are the country’s leaders so intent on silencing a single investigative journalist?
    The article points the finger at a shadowy Muslim group.

    Oddly the article has been pulled and is not cached. Will try to link another day.
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    The Fetullah Gulen movement is not that "shadowy" - it is a massive outfit its own website and quite a large number of media outlets.

    BBC story with some details about Ahmet Sik's case.

    Recent NYTIMES story about Gulen charter schools in Texas.

    I'd be worried less about the Gulen movement and more about the AKP's actions - though given the Turkish military's actions in the past, it's hard for them to complain about creeping authoritarianism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Oddly the article has been pulled and is not cached. Will try to link another day.
    I think you might have encountered internet outages/hiccups over the last 48h.

    Here it is

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...the_deep_state

    also here
    http://arunwithaview.wordpress.com/2...he-deep-state/

    Meanwhile, historical precedence in the news
    http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-10/w...n?_s=PM:EUROPE
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    Default Turkey, the end of Islamism with a human face

    An interesting analysis of what is going on:
    Turkey's AKP government has over a decade promised a new model of governance: progressive and reformist, Islamist and democratic. But a series of developments, including the expanding power of prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, is now exposing the party and its policies to ever-deeper scrutiny....
    Link:http://www.opendemocracy.net/kerem-o...ith-human-face
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    this is an interesting article about fethullah gulen http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_...lah-gulen.html

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