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CIMIC have published a comprehensive, short report on the impact of Somali piracy; behind a free registration wall via their website:https://www.cimicweb.org/Pages/cimicwebWelcome.aspx
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Yet again a hat tip to CIMIC for a short paper on the issues; access see previous post.
The bonus is a map on the last page of prisoners and prosecutions of pirates worldwide.
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A BBC report on the PM's announcement whilst in Perth, for the Commenwealth meeting:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15510467
There are a number of logistical issues to resolve, especially that the licences will only apply in 'high risk' areas and where will the firearms be kept when not there? Best of all (my humour) is this:Quote:
and other areas across the globe, maybe Kenya too. Humbug!
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pirates have proved increasingly mobile and flexible in their tactics
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I wouldn't say I've got an idea for an "influence squadron".
Diplomacy belongs to politicians and diplomats, technical assistance to project managers and technical experts and when you really need to do something from the sea in peacetime then charter a ship. Back to pirates; Pompey is rollin' in his grave. Quote:
THREE (3 !!!) ####ing months! German frigates pointlessly patrolling the Somali coast in order to blockade it against AQ (one of the most idiotic ideas in military history!) turned the collection of intelligence on Somali pirates into a hobby for killing time - long before the problem took over the mainstream news in 2008. Back then there were iirc only three small villages the core of the problem. Three light infantry companies could have solved the issue over night, even without any navy. Politicians turned the whole piracy issue into just another get-together happening where even U.S., PRC and Iranian ships patrol side by side for a common cause. That's not security policy, that's a demonstration of incompetence and ignorance. Three months. *sigh*. Today's politicians world-wide are inferior to some plutocrat who died 2,000 years ago. I need to distract myself real quick now... |
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Hat tip to CIMIC brifeing on Armed Guards on Merchant Vessels. Via:https://www.cimicweb.org
As of 07 November, 2011 the IMB, part of the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC), reported the following statistics for 2011. Table 1. Incidents Reported for Somalia Total Incidents 217 Total Hijackings 26 Total Hostages 450 Total Killed (hostages) 15 Table 2. Current Vessels Held by Somali Pirates Vessels 13 Hostages 249 Link:http://www.icc-ccs.org/piracy-report...cynewsafigures A long report on the economics of piracy has a superb map, showing the spread of Somali piracy, on Pg.4:http://geopolicity.com/upload/conten...89_regular.pdf I know we have a few sailors aboard, but how do the Somalis reach so far? I know we've heard of "mother" ships.
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Western hostages freed in 'US military raid'
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Chatham House, 12 Jan 12: Treasure Mapped: Using Satellite Imagery to Track the Developmental Effects of Somali Piracy
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There are some comments on my blog which insist that all the incompetence about getting rid of this piracy problem is really about using the piracy problem as an excuse for European navies to establish themselves in the Indian Ocean while the USN moves into the Pacific Ocean.
I am willing to consider this interpretation, but it smells very much like great power gaming of a long-term variety, and I don't think our few-years-term governments are really enough into the long term to do this kind of gaming. |
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Viewed from Kenya, it looks far more as a financial issue. Kenyan troops entered Somalia not because of the shebab but because piracy impact directly and deeply the Kenyan economy and state tax collection. (Approximately 60 million$ lost/year, quite a deal for the Kenyans). To me, this can be applied to the European (and not only them). Piracy is may be an excuse to be in the Indian Ocean but it's primaly a financial question. As long as it's cheaper to tolerate pirats in Somalia than solving the problem, Somaly coast/seas will remain a training ground. Europeans were already in the Indian Ocean through Djibouti. The Indian and Chine navy might have the hidden agenda you describe. IMO, this would make more sense. |
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I saw only very rough figures, but overall I'm quite sure that patrolling indefinitely is much more expensive than letting the shipping industry use private security teams and certainly more expensive than staging a few decisive raids on the ground + PsyOps actions.
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As far as U.S. based vessels, didn't we refuse to offer letters of mark, or whatever they are, that allow merchant vessels to operate in an anti piracy role? So they could have private security on board? Probably in this thread somewhere. just seems like such a no-brainer, let ships fight off pirates.
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Guarding merchant vessels has appeared here many times. This BBC report 'India court keeps Italian navy guards in 14-day custody' is not unexpected:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17108995
India's courts are not known for their speed, nor does India make an easy partner to negotiate with. There's a map showing the piracy within this separate report:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16970982
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David,
How ironic considering late last year's report that the pirates openly stated they will concentrate on Indians and Indian vessels in order to secure the release of Somali pirates being held in Indian Jails. Maybe we should gather our cash and enlist the US Navy again Seems they have a good handle on the situation.
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