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![]() So now that the LTRO has immunized the Euro Banks (and the US Banks due to the magic of financial globalization) does Greece default? Greece Debt-Swap Deadline This Week to Show If Europe Moving Past Crisis By Patrick Donahue - Mar 4, 2012 4:00 PM MT, Bloomberg News Quote:
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They should have immunised the banks with new bankruptcy legislation that means the governments step in AFTER the stupid shareholders lost their value (which means the governments would gain property for the taxpayer money, not just throw it away), not by setting up a system in which they prevent the punishment of economic stupidity.
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@Surferbeetle:Greece reminds me a bit about the following canzone di Faber. The male fatto in un ora was done over many years but to some extent I fear the lyrics mirror the feelings of many Greeks...
Anyway your point about the inflation is a rather interesting one. So far the massive injection of liquidity has not quite the impact on inflation, clearly due to lack of demand having caused the famous liquidity trap. How long and how strongly it will remained trapped is a key question... Unternehmensanleihen - Das Beste ist vorbei raises a very important aspect. While bond yields of great companies hit massive heights during the big downturn and financial crisis pushing me to acquire some, but sadly due to the lack of trust into my intellectual judgment, too few, the are now at an almost historic low. I shifted in the last quarter increasingly from bonds into stocks after considerable thought, aided by Graham. The yield of those German enterprises is around 2%, while the dividends of them should be a tad over 4%. At least the Euro Stoxx 50 pay out roughly 50% of their earnings out to the shareholder so they should earn roughly between 8-9% on the invested capital. Of course it is difficult to know the true owner's earning or the respective ROIC, the return on the owners invested capital. The Graham/Dodd or Shiller P/E (present price/earnings of the last 7 or 10 years) were also with 11 or 12 at that time IIRC quite attractive. The liquidity is massive but not so much in stocks and despite the troubles in the economy and the markets I thought the margin of safety offered by me with the prices of Mr. Market was quite good. To sum it up why should I now invest into bonds when I can get at low prices shares of mostly great enterprises earning me roughly 5% more on my capital? It is a businesslike investment which resulted to the recent ralley in considerable speculation gains on paper. We will see how things go on, but as long as enterprises to so well I don't know why I should sell them anytime soon. P.S: It is interesting that Ben Graham uses very similar words to Ludwig Beck when talking about the importance of trusting a personal judgement and acting on it after a careful and intelligent use of the grey cells. No wonder that I try to limit my ambitions
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Firn,
Appreciate your latest well thought out (and thought provoking) post, i will get back to it later this weekend when there is more time and i can focus the sole braincell that i have left. Until then here are a few placeholders that i will try and cover at that time:
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Interestingly when I reread "The intelligent investor" Graham makes in Chapter 20 the same case, which I must have internalized, about 1972 bond and stock market.
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Hope to get to this and try and formulate/provide a semi-coherent response with respect to the gap between theory and reality and cost/benefit considerations:
In the meantime, the February 25th-March 2nd edition of The Economist (hardcopy or digital if you have a subscription or here if you don't) has a 14 page special report on Financial Innovation which will either keep you awake a bit longer or put you right to sleep...
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Keeping mind that i am only a small beer retail guy (I track and work in a small 'universe' of stocks with small amounts of money that is 'disposable'), went from investing (~3-5 year horizon) to tactical trading (~2% profit/loss on principle risked) in January with a small portfolio. Booked a years worth of profits in Feb. Today's a bloodbath in the Euro financial sector's exposed to Greece, FDI into the Euro industrials (and the 'promised' delivery of future dividends) is not happy, and the euro is down. ![]() Massive amounts of risk and uncertainty out there as we close in on the 8th of March (Athens threat to bond holdouts, By Richard Milne and David Oakley, Last updated: March 6, 2012 5:40 pm, Financial Times, www.ft.com) ![]() Sell when the angels sing, buy when the blood runs in the streets?
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![]() The economic situation is as it is and the stock market won't have a big impact on that in the short term. All we can do is to make the best of it and look now on then if there are any new threats or chances for the dear money. ![]() In the end I'm completely confident that in the long term the investment will pay off. Fear has already been my dear friend in the past as well as the angels singing, considering that despite my often glaring omissions my portfolio advanced in the last 7 years a bit over 50% while the Euro Stoxx 50 lost IIRC over 10%. On a big sidenote I really hope that Europe will grow again, it is just painful to see so many young people out of work in many regions. So much productive power, so much hope lost there. Puts things into perspective.
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More on the flight into safety by some desperate liquidity.
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Thought this might be of interest as we consider the importance of growth (aka nation building in some circles); I do not see the issues as being limited to America. Special Report: Restoring US Competitiveness, Harvard Business Review, March 2012 Quote:
• A Japan Scenario for the rest of the western world After half a century of trade surpluses, Japan is now in deficit, Jan 14th 2012 | from the print edition, The Economist, http://www.economist.com/node/21542794• Target2 Imbalances What is the meaning of TARGET balances?, By Silvia Merler on 29th February 2012, Bruegel, http://www.bruegel.org/blog/detail/a...rget-balances/• Foreign Direct Investment Inward Foreign Direct Investment from the rest of the world, Eurostat • Sector Analysis By Yahoo Finance • Can stocks be thought about as the present value of expected cash flows? Net present value, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_pre...ecision_making• Screening Criteria/Growth at a Reasonable Price/Growth/Value/Technical Metrics Stock selection criterion, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_selection_criterion• P/E ratio's...how are earnings calculated? P/E ratio, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P/E_ratio• Currency Exchange Rates Currency pair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_pair• ADR tracking gaps ADR Arbitrage Opportunities for Dummies, BEATRIZ AMARY OTAVIO OTTONI, http://people.hbs.edu/mdesai/IFM05/AmaryOttoni.pdf
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Cam Penner, Rye Whiskey from the album What's Kickin
Homeric Similes And Spanish Debt, Posted on March 6, 2012 by Edward Hugh at a Fistful of Euros Quote:
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I will take a closer look at that Harvard Business Review if I find a bit more time.
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Had a very interesting discussion today with a friend regarding the importance of a free press in providing transparency and accountability...
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European Stocks Decline as BMW, Daimler Retreat on China, By Tom Stoukas - Mar 20, 2012 11:05 AM MT, Bloomberg News
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Strangly it seems most popular in Germany offering inside of the inner working of the Arbeitsamt - while in Italian it is taken as a satirical symbol of the Italia attuale.
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With so much sunshine in Greece one wonders what is being done by the 'elites' for the good of their country; meanwhile others are busy making things happen instead of making excuses...
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The conservative-liberal (European "liberal"!) government first lengthened the projected service life of the German nuclear powerplants as a gift to the nuclear lobby (and possibly Siemens), then came Fukushima and Merkel did what she had done several times already: She completely gave up a cornerstone of her party's policies and made a u-turn. Now she's doing a more radical anti-nuclear power than did the red (social democrats) - GREEN Schrder government (which was in bed with big business just as all (West) German governments, and with much less style than their pre-'82 predecessors!) . The switch to less nuclear power wasn't nearly as problematic as the scaremongering of the nuclear lobby had suggested for decades. We're still a net electricity exporter while the extremist pro-nuclear power France is a net importer AFAIK. There is one major problem, though; the German electrical grid is compartmentalised. This is actually in part still a heritage from a Nazi law from the 1930's (the same Nazi law that made the German electrical grid more unable to cope with damaged powerplants than the Allies ever dared to dream prior to their 1945 Strategic Bombing Survey!). Said old law created a landscape of regional monopolies (typical fascist-typical gift to big business in exchange for support), which were not much connected. Now there's a lot talk about a need for additional very high voltage power lines, but planning and building such 'unpleasant' power lines is a slow process and some embarrassing power line failures two or three winters ago had already revealed that even the existing grid requires some overhaul (because the power corporations had pursued easy profit by neglecting maintenance). The power plants are only the obvious surface; the practical issues are rather about the power line grid. We could have dozens of DESERTEC solar power plants in Africa right now, but what would that be good for if we cannot even transfer their output between North and South Germany? |
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Appreciate the insights ![]() What if the grid is no longer cost effective? What does that mean for centralized planning & control, and allocation of capital in al of it's forms? ![]() Grid parity, by wikipedia Quote:
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Not "cost-effective"?
How would one determine that? The "well"-earners in the top floors of the glass palaces were simply neglecting long-term thinking. |
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