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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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What I am looking for is: 1. general feedback on my research question, and 2. personal anecdotes from any soldiers out there (my research is admittedly army-centric) who may or may not have shared the confusion that I felt from 2004-2006 about our strategy and tactics in Iraq (I'm specifically comparing the Casey transition strategy - big FOBs and transition to ISF - and the Odierno/Petraeus surge strategy). Many thanks, Brent |
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Canberra, Australia
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Hi Brent,
I think you might be helped by reading Doug Ollivant's excellent piece: Ollivant, Douglas A. "Countering the New Orthodoxy: Reinterpreting Counterinsurgency in Iraq." In National Security Studies Program Policy Paper. Washington DC: New America Foundation, 2011. I am using the 'surge' as one of the case studies in my PhD, I think there is a fair bit more complexity to the issue than the narrative suggests. I am certain from my research that it was not quite as binary as you seem to imply. As someone who was working in one of the major organisational 'change agencies' in theatre during 07/08 I am also quite reserved on the issue of how much 'organisational change' accounts for what happened. I believe it can be put down as much to other elements (including 'luck' with issues such as the JAM cease fire and the 'awakening') combined with increased tactical acumen gained from years of painful experience. I also suspect that you are walking thorugh a semantic minefield wrt you conceptions of 'strategy' 'politics' and 'war' as presented in the accompanying document. Some of the ideas seem a bit 'loose'. I would urge you to clarify some of the concepts you are using very early on in the process, although I have no doubt that your supervisor will be urging something similar.. Good luck with your research, Best regards, Mark |
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Upper Michigan
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Admittedly, a little odd looking
with some odder friends but a good writer and teacher on your topics, as well as a cigar smoker, subject to adequate decompression in Hawaii. BTW: Welcome to SWC. Regards Mike
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
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Hi Brent,
From a cursory search of the internet, it looks like you were in 3-7 CAV. As I did some time in 1-64 AR, I'm a bit familiar with your unit, and I would state with some authority that 3-7 CAV was conducting COIN operations starting in 2003. Jason Fritz and Mike Burgoyne would probably disagree with you as well. From the unit's history, Quote:
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Florida
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I guess invasion, occupation and subsequent suppression of popular resistance to the same has a little "COIN" in it...
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Robert C. Jones Intellectus Supra Scientia "The modern COIN mindset is when one arrogantly goes to some foreign land and attempts to make those who live there a lesser version of one's self. The FID mindset is when one humbly goes to some foreign land and seeks first to understand, and then to help in some small way for those who live there to be the best version of their own self." Colonel Robert C. Jones, US Army Special Forces (Retired) |
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Upper Michigan
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who has a down to earth Worldview
and who can provide you with a Marine's view of conventional and "COIN" warfare in Iraq, from 2003 on. Regards Mike
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Talk to Bing West, read his books...his anaylsis is spot on (at least in my opinion) because he startes at the eyeball to eyeball level of war and moves it to the strategic very effectively. In addition, he has spent a considerable amount of time with the Army and can compare and contrast approaches and tactics.
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Fort Leonard Wood
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Cpt Trav. Abu Risha.AQI losing their ever loving banning smokes and killing little kids Bing West almost got me killed by a retired/recalled LtCol lookin for snipers with his shotgun and his Uah window down. Regional training academies and tribal engagement Potus to Sheiks my brain drizzle
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Join Date: Aug 2011
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I think Thomas Daly's book "Rage Company" may be worth a look as it comes from the Marine perspective. Its pre Awakening and moves on to the Awakening in Ramadi. I used it in my MA thesis as a source.
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