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One of her points in discussion with me was that the UN has really cleaned up its peacekeeping act the last few years organizationally. The problem is overcoming the negative perceptions from the failed 1990's interventions.
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Thanks,
Tori is very well informed about the MARO project. I last spoke to her just before her trip to Addis. FYI: My last active duty assignment was as the UN's military planning officer for south Sudan and Darfur. I spent two years working for DPKO in New York, with UNMIS and AMIS in Sudan/Darfur, and with the AU in Addis. The planning I did set the stage for UNAMID...now let's see how it gets executed. Harry Harry |
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Link goes to a lengthy paper on preventing genocide and appropriate to add here: http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...ead.php?t=7061
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Mass Atrocity Response Operations: A Military Planning Handbook, 5 May 2010
A Collaborative Effort Between the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy, Harvard Kennedy School and the US Army Peacekeeping and Stability Operations Institute. Quote:
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Wired picked up on this -
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Read More http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...#ixzz0nHv2b84a
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This is the thread I know of on genocide / atrocities, if there's is a more recent one let me know. (Added) Maybe some of the issues have been covered in this newer thread 'Responsibility To Protect' aka R2P:http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...&highlight=R2P
I've not seen any other reports so hat tip to the UK-based blogsite Open Democracy and their article opens with: Quote:
After the initial post (above) courtesy of a FP Blog emailing there are two points of view:http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/...pisrc=obinsite and http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/...ard_a_chance_0 Zenpundit has a commentary, try this for a critique: Quote:
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I rarely agree with Stephen Walt but generally do agree with Zenpundit. In this case, both of them have it right. That APB should have an All Points Bulletin issued to be killed on sight...
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As mentioned in this SWC post,
From "At Water's Edge" (which accords with Anne-Marie Slaughter) Whither the Atrocities Prevention Board?: Quote:
From Human Rights First: Quote:
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Regards Mike
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During the Balkan Wars and Rwandan Genocide in the 90s I was infuriated by the moral posturing of various political factions who clearly felt that expressions of disapproval and armed note taking were appropriate and effective responses to mass murder. This just institutionalizes the posturing. I will be shocked if this APB turns out to accomplish anything more than allowing D.C. insiders and their friends to feel good about themselves, with the occasional small scale troop action thrown in when domestic political concerns indicate a distraction is needed to move the poll numbers.
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The following text is from a SWC reader, who was responding to Post 26 and the first linked article (written unlike the others by a non-American):
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""The reality is that the APB will not drive military decision making in some constructive manner unless the collective western military establishment changes its views on R2P. In the meantime, innocent people will continue to die, cultures will continue to be lost, and national interests may or may not evolve to incorporate humanist interests as they related to the senseless killing of innocent civilians."" For the first phrase I extracted, I would certainly hope that the collective western military establishment does not change it's views. If they did and start intervening more often, that's the most likely way I can think of to kill more innocent civilians... As an aside, he mentions Romeo Dallaire -- I am not a fan, not least because he fans this foolishness... For the last thought in that extracted paragraph above -- as it was in the beginning, is now and forever shall be... |
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Ken,
I had the good forturne to spend a bit of time with Sen Dallaire last December. I picked him up at the airport and shared a couple of meals and conversations over a 2 day period. I agree with you regarding R2P, and shared my concerns with him. As you can imagine, his position on this is deeply personal and heavily shaped by his frustrations over his experience in Rwanda. But being ordered by people far away to stand by and do nothing while atrocities unfold around you and the unit you command is far different than a policy of launching our nation into the middle of every problem regardless of how small our interests or knowledge of why the conflict is hapneing are. An honorable man of deep conviction. I believe you would be a fan of the man.
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![]() Add deep distaste for meddling and one can develop some negativity. Having said that, I'm also very much aware that one never knows in advance when or if one will indeed turn them off or go ahead and do the unpalatable and then have to live with the result.
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Ken White has just commented above:
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A "touch of Nelson" I think is out of date. There are enough people here who have "boots on the ground" experience to comment.
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Col. Arthur D. Simons Center for the Study of Interagency Cooperation, InterAgency Journal 3-2, Special Edition: Prevention of Mass Atrocities
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Hat tip to the Australian Lowy Institute:
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