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    China when in an adverse situation states the treaties were unequal.

    But when it suits them, the maps and treaties are valid!

    Interesting is this Wiki summary

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty

    Tibet was also an 'unequal treaty'!

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    Interesting excerpts taken at random.

    A detailed paper worth reading.

    Peking Reaches Out: A Study of Chinese Expansionism

    It is common knowledge that in 1959 Mao Zedong said: “Our goal is the whole wide world . .. where we will create a mighty state" and that in 1965 he presented China with the task of “absolutely getting hold of Southeast Asia" in the near future. And today, far from disavowing these and similar statements, Peking uses them as a guide. Politics, propaganda and armed force combine to further Maoist foreign policy doctrines, in a range of ploys which extends from historical fabrications and the publication of maps showing the “lost Chinese lands" to armed provocation and outright aggression against neighbouring states......

    A maiden work of this order was Su Yen-tsung’s The General Tendency of the Modification of China’s Borders, [249•22 which was published shortly after the Hsinhai revolution. Coming after it, Hua Chi-yun’s China’s Borders [249•23 gained wide currency. Indeed, its author, possibly the Kuomintang’s leading authority in the field, completed his treatise in the spring of 1930, shortly after the Kuomintang provocations on the Chinese Eastern Railway, the raids on Soviet territory, and the rupture of SovietChinese relations. Hua Chi-yun’s conceptions, which reflected the official moods.

    Hua Chi-yun advocated the thesis of the need to “return” to China the lands it had “lost”. He claimed that “China’s old borders" had embraced vast territories extending from Kamchatka to Singapore and from Lake Balkhash to the Philippines. Korea, Burma, Vietnam, and Bhutan were seen as “conceded tributaries”, which had been within the “old borders”. Considerable tracts of Soviet Far Eastern territory along with the Island of Sakhalin, part of Kazakhstan and the Soviet Central Asian republics, sections of Afghan and Indian territory, and the Ryukyu Archipelago were also included among China’s “losses”. The Mongolian People’s Republic was generally ignored as a sovereign state and was designated as within China’s contemporary borders. Maritime boundaries stretched hundreds and thousands of miles away from the mainland, taking in the islands of the East China and South China Seas. The special map appended to the chapter, “Revision of Frontiers and Lost 250 Territories”, illustrated this projected programme of territorial aggrandisement.

    The book examined a set of political, economic, and cultural measures devised to bring about a rapid Sinification of non-Han inhabitants of border territories. Having roots deep in antiquity and the Middle Ages, China’s intercourse with Korea, Siberia, Central Asia,Afghanistan, India, and Vietnam was analysed with the author seeking to prove China’s “historical rights" to the lands beyond its borders. Hua Chi-yun challenged the validity of quite a number of border treaties and tried to justify Kuomintang’s claims to the USSR, Burma, and India.

    http://libweb.uoregon.edu/ec/e-asia/read/PRO.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    China when in an adverse situation states the treaties were unequal.

    But when it suits them, the maps and treaties are valid!

    Interesting is this Wiki summary

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty

    Tibet was also an 'unequal treaty'!
    Tibet was conquered.
    Armageddon would happen if we began reversing all unfairness based on previously lost wars.

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    The starting point for Chinese historical claims is the Han Dynasty.



    To that starting point, were added various other claims (maritime, such as "1421"; tributary and protectorate claims - note the Han Protectorates of the Western Trade Routes).

    The New Han Golden Age was declared by Mao, To the Glory of the Hans (1919).

    The great union of the Chinese people must be achieved, Gentlemen! We must all exert ourselves, we must all advance with the utmost strength. Our golden age, our age of brightness and splendour lies ahead!
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    This link somehow is not opening.

    http://www.marxists.org/reference/ar...6/mswv6_03.htm (To the Glory of the Han).

    Missing out possibly a Gem!

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    "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" Jesus of Nazareth

    "our manifest destiny to overspread the continent allotted by Providence for the free development of our yearly multiplying millions." John O'Sullivan, 1845

    "Go west, young man" Horace Greely, 1851

    Etc, etc. Powerful nations (and influenctial informal leaders such as those listed above) have historically sought to achieve and sustain their largest possible spheres of territory, control and/or influence.

    It seems to me, that nations get into as much trouble when they seek to hold onto too much, than they do when they seek to take on more. I suspect that China realizes that expanding their economic reach and overall influence is far more productive than attempting to aggressively acquire some physical real estate and it immediately resistant populace. They have enough internal forces of resistance and revolution to contend with as is. In the future? That is different, but for us to obsess on the potentiality of this future game now is to risk losing out on the game that is actually currently in play.
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    Are you guys seriously suggesting that the PRC seeks territorial claims in North America, or based on an article written by Mao in 1919?

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    t seems to me, that nations get into as much trouble when they seek to hold onto too much, than they do when they seek to take on more. I suspect that China realizes that expanding their economic reach and overall influence is far more productive than attempting to aggressively acquire some physical real estate and it immediately resistant populace. They have enough internal forces of resistance and revolution to contend with as is. In the future? That is different, but for us to obsess on the potentiality of this future game now is to risk losing out on the game that is actually currently in play.
    So why is China so keen to expand and on fictitious grounds want to expand their Empire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tequila View Post
    Are you guys seriously suggesting that the PRC seeks territorial claims in North America, or based on an article written by Mao in 1919?
    Not today.

    They are in no position to do so.

    Who knows? Maybe at a later time frame when they can.

    SCS was no big deal till now.

    Now they developed 'muscle'.

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