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![]() Textbook economics and standard models have mostly proven indeed their worth, but using the lessons learned seems to be indeed quite difficult. Like everything, not just investment, doing things properly is the hard part. About the foreign investment, it all depends how it is financed and how well the capital is put to work. Buying toxic paper derived from financially engineered mortages was not smart from the foreign creditors but building too expensive houses in excess was neither for the debitors. As Fuchs said the US arguably does consume too much however as long the rest of the world is happy with the paper, green or toxic it gets for their goods allmost all is fine. It is more problematic, too put it in Buffets words, when part of the farm land, the national capital stock is sold to consume. In the latter case a big thanks for the American consumer who buys European products, at least you are doing your bit to help us. P.S: The economic rise of South Korea has been indeed amazing especially compared to Argentina, who was once ahead of most European countries... @Fuchs: The rise of the capital income share was more dramatic in the US. While I do have some ideas about the reasons (taxes!, ...) I wonder if this topic is well researched. Perhaps I will later give a closer look. ---- The Greek election was certainly an outcry of the people, sadly it is hard to imagine a working government after those results. It is indeed a bit of late interwar feeling, with the extreme right and the extreme left gaining and the relative moderates falling. P.S: How a Greek party can in Greece, who suffered greatly under Nazi Germany, use some of those symbols and that rethoric is beyond believe.
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German voters reject austerity in key poll
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Their lead candidate for the office of Ministerprsident (head of state & government in the state, kind of prime minister) was (is) a dud.
He was even stupid enough to regret live and on tape that the voters can decide who's going to rule. http://www.lachschon.de/item/132181-ImmerdieseWaehler/ |
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I agree with Fuchs. The outcome will weaken Merkel and the CDU but it was not a vote against austerity.
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There's no real austerity talking points wave in Germany anyway.
We added to the federal constitution an obligation to balance the budget which takes effect gradually. Once the federal budget is stabilised at no net added debt per annum we can go on and address the revenue shortfall of the states. Their budget deficits is not so much a spending issue as it is a revenue issue. The same is even more obvious with the town and municipalities which suffer from having quite even duties to their inhabitants but very different income from businesses due to the move of many businesses to the small towns that border on larger ones. Another problem at this level is that many rural areas have a rather low economic activity, and often a lot of migration of young people to other regions. In short: The German fiscal situation need a rearrangement that can realistically be done in a few years. The potential for reasonable austerity measures doesn't suffice to solve the various budget woes in Germany. We could cut the budgets a bit, of course. Politicians like large projects which are often not cost-efficient, and bureaucrats have their multi-million pet projects, too. The budgets in trouble are far beyond the scale of such problems, though. Meanwhile, other budgets are in fine shape. |
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"Sigmar Gabriel sieht sie schon als Kanzlerkandidatin."
OMG, she won because her competitor behaved like an idiot. Against Merkel she looks like Romney vs. Obama :-) |
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Even services with uneven revenue opportunities simply does not work.
The even services are a constitutional mandate and this won't go. The revenue system has to be adapted to the reality of the spending obligations. (It wouldn't hurt if we had the same low interest rate for all, of course. That's not going to happen as long as the Greece issue lingers in the news, though.) |
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The guardian coverage is always a good read, with all the advantages and disadvantages of a live blog.
What strikes me, and has for some time, is the diametrical difference in perception within and around Germany when it comes to the power it yields. Externally a good many, media and people, think that Germany is able to make and break, leading the (wrong) way, while on the other hand internally the press and the commentators seem to believe that all the power Germany has is to foot the bill for others. It is of course important to note that per capita other countries have a higher share of the various protection and rescue schemes.
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Keep in mind 3/4 of Germany have been in a West-East transfer scheme for 22 years.
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It seems that Greece is forced to cut but goes along the easier and faster paths. Cutting the minimum wage is easier then cutting the pay of relative good earning state and near-state employees or getting the taxes collected. In the short run all this austerity is of course devastating. Consumption and investment are falling due the enduring demand shock, the banks are dried out of money with more and more people shifting their euros to their matresses. While I'm more of a creditor then a debitor I would wish that the ECB would become even more aggressive, also raising the inflation target to at least 3.5% A cyinical person might actually be glad that with Greece bleeds at least just a small country on the periphery. It's pain is not that much of a threat of the stability of the EU and it serves as a kind of guinea pig for much more important countries like Italy and Spain. @Fuchs: I guess this is one of reasons. Another big might be the way especially Greece is [partly rightly] perceived. The tragedy is of course that such a crises hits all, mostly the weak and not just those who cheated.
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True enough I had not the numbers and the "natural "GDP seems to have been indeed a lot higher then Yp, the Potential output ("potential GDP").
High consumption due to easy credit and increasing debt on the private and the state level have pushed it above it. The crisis has destroyed a great deal of demand, now it should be fairly low compared to Yp, no wonder with all that production factors going to waste... Monetary and fiscal policy should have kicked in many years ago to keep the bubbles and the budget in check now the demand must get supported. P.S: I have written about the Greek banks running dry, now the ECB seems to have stepped in providing fresh credit. Quote:
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Fuchs rightly pointed out that I made a mistake, by writing "natural" GDP instead of real GDP, which I meant. Thanks for that.
The € is now falling against the other important currencies, and has lost quite a bit of his value in the last 3-4 years. Still there is not so much difference compared to ten years ago against the CNY and JPY, while it was a lot weaker against the pound and the dollar back then. A weaker Euro would help the European economy, however it does of course not address the big interal differences in competivness.
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Looks like some banks are stretching and thinking about going for a run.
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I'm pretty sure that the firefighters from the ECB ready already the pumps and will turn on the money stream...
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I dare to predict that Germany would drop the Euro if the ECB sustained 5% p.a. inflation for several years. Germany would also drop the Euro if the ECB creates a surprise inflation of 10% in one year.
Inflation aversion is a cultural trait in Germany. High inflation is considered as a highly visible marker of mismanagement, and this is a country that's obsessed about organising work and life well. |
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Along these lines: European stock rout led by Spain’s Bankia, Lender tumbles 14% on reports of funds being withdrawn, Europe Markets Archives | Email alerts, May 17, 2012, 9:23 a.m. EDT, MarketWatch Quote:
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Greek Euro Exit Would Risk Asia Crisis-Style Rout, Zeti Says (Update 1), By Haslinda Amin and Elffie Chew - May 16, 2012 11:25 PM MT, Bloomberg News
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