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In the UK it is clear that much of the educational / training input on the Muslim faith to senior LE has usually been from certain groups, who can be described as minority, sectarian and "extremism entrepreneurs". At lower levels there is evidence that a wider range of views have been used and it is clear that some Salafist groups have successfully offered their viewpoint.
There is an officially recognised, if not supported, Muslim Police Association, which includes in its objectives an educational role and their speakers will state which part of the Muslim faith they follow when giving talks. Website:http://www.namp-uk.com/ Part of the problem here is that some Muslims who are prepared to talk to LE hold strong views, e.g. Palestine, which can if cited in Q&A lead to acrimony. Or hold political positions, even as an elected city councillor for a non-mainstream party and so cause worries about how an audience might respond. Choosing a speaker from one local mosque and not others can cause its own problems. Local LE, especially those working in CT need to have empathy with Islam and identifying who can help will take time. Credibility and trust are essential. Going back to 'The Troubles' I cannot recall a single example of an input from all the political parties, let alone the IRA's political arms. No-one IMHO would have found that acceptable within LE. Nor has there been any input from any of the current political extremes and radical groups on climate change for example. On the extreme right LE, including the Special Branch, have historically relied on a couple of institutions for training input, who are hostile to the extreme right and a tiny number of academics.
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Some good points made here, even if a prelude to a review by a think tank and cites the head of the USMA CTC, Lt.Col. Sawyer:
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The aforementioned think tank report:
Manufacturing the Muslim Menace: Private Firms, Public Servants, & the Threat to Rights and Security, by Thomas Cincotta. Political Research Associates, 2011. (PDF) Note: Political Research Associates is a progressive think tank of the Noam Chomsky stripe, and is dedicated to the study of right-wing groups. While I have read some interesting work by PRA’s head, the organization is not an impartial observer. I would say it is similar to the Southern Poverty Law Center, only without the shameless greed and intelligence gathering. |
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Do the trainers have to be US citizens for the DHS funded programs?
It might be worth bringing over some retired cops with CT backgrounds from the UK or France to work the lecture circuit; former Special Branch or DST types. |
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Finally got around to reading the Stalcup & Craze piece. The whole thing had the feel of clues in search of a mystery. Guess this is what passes for journalism these days.
I had the benefit of an excellent course while I was in patrol entitled Understanding Islamic Militant Terrorism and Prevention Strategies. (Kroll presented the class under contact.) IMHO it was very well done. The instructors took great pains to delineate between Whabbism and the rest of Islam. Also explained in detail the Sunni/Shiite differences, kunyas, etc. They compared and contrasted AQ with other terror organizations and talked about their grand strategy. None of it had that “how to spot the sleeper cell at your local 7-Eleven” feel. Very well rounded package. On the whole I think it's better to bring in outside subject matter experts on something like this. The catch is to not leave them alone as instructors. (This is true if the topic is Islam or traffic law.) If they're not law enforcement having a certified law enforcement instructor ride along seems like a simple, logical solution. The other option, having cops stretch themselves into cultural/academic unknowns in order to generate a syllabus, usually produces moderately piss poor results. Some of the terrorism courses I took immediately after 9/11 were less than well done. One was a week long laundry list of all the possible ways AQ might try to kill us while the instructor pushed this piece of crap book like some revival tent preacher. On the topic at hand I think no matter who does the teaching someone else is going to have a problem with it. If it's law enforcement teaching their own then “the community” will say they're not being culturally sensitive. If it's an outside group law enforcement will say they're being forced to bow at an alter of “cultural awareness”. |
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We have touched upon LE relations with the American-Muslim communities before, but this is a classic and refers to a current case in Miami:
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Please note in the UK we took time to learn too and one colleague vividly recalls being on TV after forcing entry to a small mosque, to detain suspected illegal immigrants IIRC.
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An update on a previous post, which was critical of a FBI arrest of an Imam and another in a mosque. Taken from a NPR article:
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Danger Room, 14 September 2001: FBI Teaches Agents: ‘Mainstream’ Muslims Are ‘Violent, Radical’
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Counter-terrorism expert Jarret Brachman weighs in on the issue of poor quality FBI training--and notes that Jihadist forums are citing it as evidence of US hostility to Islam:
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from some folks not known for their timidity: (con the training), The Federal Bureau of Idiocy (16 Sep 2011); and (pro the training), Far-Left "journalist" assails FBI training materials that depict Islam accurately; FBI folds, and New York Times takes up Hamas-linked CAIR's cause of trying to force the FBI to stop telling the truth about Islam (16 & 17 Sep 2011).
Here is the Powerpoint presentation re: Strategic Themes and Drivers in Islamic Law -which is of interest to me, but not something that I have the expertise to rip apart or endorse with respect to the "Muslim Mainstream". Based on my reading of AQ materials, the slides might be more correctly characterized as "Strategic Themes and Drivers in Islamic Law as Viewed by AQ". The "Law" slides do not reflect that limitation. I'd be interested in what Omarali50 and others of Islamic background think of the "Law" slides. Regards Mike
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New Evidence of Anti-Islam Bias Underscores Deep Challenges for FBI’s Reform Pledge
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At the risk of being "Mr. Sensitivity," it isn't just bad trainers that are part of the problem. Pop culture exposes everyone to a predominately negative view of Muslims and/or Arabs. There's a good film called Reel Bad Arabs (reel, as in movie reel) that addresses representations of Arabs in film. It is worth examining the subtle (and not so subtle) messages that inundate LEO, warfighters, etc. and end up influencing the decisions stakeholders make at all levels. There were films that I watched and enjoyed that, on a second look, were ridiculously prejudiced and no doubt tainted my view of Arabs; I'm sure others have similarly affected.
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Erich,
It has been interesting to see how uniform and non-uniform officers react to having private meetings with Muslims, where they can learn about their faith and simply talk. Met Police officers from the Muslim Contact Unit, part of CT Command in London (previously known as the Special Branch) often comment on the gains from working in partnership after establishing a relationship, which may take time. Have a look for the writings of Bob Lambert, the ex-head of the MCU. He found after 9/11 that many Muslims had been waiting for the police / SB to ask them, but would not take the first step forward. Part of the problem in the UK was the suspicion, prejudice whatever amongst the police that minority communities had very different needs regarding policing, when in fact they were often the same.
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That doesn't surprise me about officers creating more positive relationships after building a regular relationship. I think we're all predisposed to that inclination build a barrier between the unfamiliar and us, no matter what our backgrounds are. I was a year into a PhD program in postcolonial studies, a discipline which at least aspires to a greater awareness of and sensitivity to issues of race, culture and religion, when I had my first regular interaction with an Arab woman who wore a hijab and was more, for lack of a better word, traditional in her Muslim beliefs. I discovered a person with a sense of religion and family that might be praised as traditional American "family values" if it had been wrapped in a more familiar package, and I found myself letting go of fear and suspicion that, frankly, I wasn't conscious of. Assuming "different needs" is such a great way to put it.
I'll definitely check out Bob Lambert; his work sounds interesting. |
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