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Hat tip to an Indian friend who pointed to a US study I'd missed: Quote:
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In the UK historically there has been very little public information, although of late officialdom cites two examples. This is a thread in progress.
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David, this should be an interesting and worthwhile line of study that potentially could increase the effectiveness of our unofficial civilian surveillance methods (meaning civilians looking for suspicious activity, not law enforcement intruding in civilian lives without just cause). Our public (in the U.S.) is sensitized to varying degrees to detect suspicious behavior, yet that could still be enhanced through public awareness programs (training for detecting both terrorist and criminal pre-execution behaviors). Although much improved since 9/11, our biggest challenge seems to be law enforcement's ability to receive these reports and fuse these reports in a common database (that local, state and federal can all access), and then have enough trained analysts to connect the dots. Fortunately, when want to be terrorists are dumb enough to buy certain materials and ask questions that makes the hair on the back of your neck raise, that is normally enough to prompt local law enforcement to investigate. For terrorists and criminals that are more sophisticated, like the 9/11 terrorists, the key is connecting the fuzzy dots.
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This is copied from a post added 23/1/10 to a thread on Turkey's experience.
One of the few open source articles that provides some context for the role of the public is from Turkey:http://ccj.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/23/2/142 (Behind a pay wall, although I have a copy). Quote:
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In June 2011 a Saudi diplomat at a lecture stated:
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In November 2005 after the 7/7 bombings Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, in the Richard Dimbleby Lecture, stated:
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A formal or informal community watch is organized (either self organized or organized by local government officials) and sensitized to detect and report on certain types of behaviors. Reports are acted upon by the appropriate officials. This relatively simple and cost effective organization (formal/informal) would do more to limit terrorist and criminal freedom of movement than the billions we're spending now on technical surveillance. |
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I know of a case (not in the US) in which a significant plot that was broken up due to specific intelligence was publicly attributed to a combination of police work and accident... presumably to avoid revealing or hinting at the source of the intel. I would not be surprised if this has happened in other cases, though it would be difficult to confirm.
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Recently there were a series of arrests in Birmingham (UK), which led to six men being charged regarding a planned bombing campaign; for some background and details see: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15054790
What is noteworthy - for this thread - is that the senior police officer responsible has publicly commented: Quote:
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Reading Stephen Tankel's book on Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) I found references to prior information being given to the US authorities on David Headley, he Pakistani-American, by his wives, to officials in the USA, August 2005 and Pakistan, in 2007. The DNI later ordered a review, result not known to Tankel.
The original source was ProPublica, an investigative journalism site:http://www.propublica.org/article/ne...meline-in-mumb Note this article refers to three other sources, friends or relatives, giving information. I shall leave aside the many issues that arise, notably intelligence management decision-making and the value of such information. One caller never had an update to his call. I know from my experience feedback is vital and can generate additional calls.
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Taken from a wider review of the 'Muslim 'Homegrown' Terrorism in the United States: How Serious Is the Threat?' which appears in the fall 2011 issue of International Security, from the Belfer Centre; with my emphasis:
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Found on a previously unheard of blogsite:
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From a longer article on a current UK terrorism trial; which covers other points, notably being self-radicalised:
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It's a classic, imagine the attending officer calling back "Can I have the CT police here".
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Hat tip to Stratfor giving a hint to the role of the public in the case of Naser Jason Abdo:
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I expect the Guns Galore staff and management were all too aware of the purchases being suspicious, even allowing for a two year gap. Would another local gun store have done the same thing?
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Within a far wider report by Clints Watts, aka CWOT on SWC, there is this passage, with my emphasis:
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The reverse of public sources and my error in not posting before today.
Nigel Inkster, ex-No.2 at SIS, in an article in 'Survival' a year ago made an interesting comment on the role of US intelligence in all UK CT investigations: Quote:
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I refer to the recent trial and convictions of three main plotters in the UK, for some background:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21414518
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Some of the reporting here differs on the four young men travelling to a terror training camp in Pakistan; the common features are that family pressure turned them round and no-one in the UK told the authorities. I will try to get a community activist to explain what happened.
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Maybe a rather slanted claim in Canada, regarding the recent arrests of two plotting an attack on the Canada-US VIA rail link, as the author is the lawyer who handled the initial information on the plotters:
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A third person has now been charged in NYC, with immigration fraud and is linked to the other two. A UC was involved.
Link:http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-rel...onal-terrorism
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A blog piece by Brian M. Jenkins, which reviews more citizen involvement in the USA post-Boston:http://www.rand.org/blog/2013/05/cro...TKhSG0.twitter
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