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Counterinsurgency in India: The Maoists http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/an-...-the-naxalites -------- Read the full post and make any comments at the SWJ Blog. This forum is a feed only and is closed to user comments. Last edited by davidbfpo; 12-08-2011 at 03:45 PM. Reason: Mod's note and copied to here two days in a row |
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On Kashmir insurgency and how it is showcased.
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Assam: 1855 militants surrender before Chidambaram IBNLive.com PTI Guwahati: In one of the largest surrender ceremonies in the North East region, 1855 militants belonging to nine groups on Tuesday bid a farewell to arms before Union Home Minister P Chidambaram and received roses for weapons turned in.
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Attached is an Indian book review of 'Terrorism - Patterns of Internationalisation', by Jaideep Saikia and Ekaterina Stepanova, pub.2009, added here as it reflects the reviewer's outlook, as a senior retired police & intelligence officer.
Link to:http://www.amazon.com/Terrorism-Patt...5899053&sr=1-3
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Commentary on Indian COIN:
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There are foreign influences, influence of the NGOs to include foreign funded NGOs, too many security agencies under different ministries and since it is taken as a law and order issue, the States come into play as law and order is a State subject.
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I'm curious about these things, since our friendly neighborhood rebels are also Maoists working in a democracy, an environment in which theoretically they shouldn't thrive.
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How does the NGO influence work? Actively encouraging rebellion, or more indirect? I noticed this item in the cited article: Quote:
Are the Maoists strongest in tribal areas? In particular, are they strongest in tribal areas where administrative and government posts are predominantly controlled by non-tribals?
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I have it from a Governor of one of the NE States of how elections and life is swayed by the Church in that State and in the NE. In fact, he used to request the Church to assist if there was any knotty problem to solve. China has been given proof of their involvement. How things happen indirectly to influence and even assist is given very lucidly in the book Ugly American. I was a high school student when the book came out and one could see the same happening in India and I felt very sad for the US, which was giving India a lot of aid, but Russia was on the ball! And both were doing their best to influence the Govt and the people. Last edited by Ray; 08-19-2012 at 03:57 PM. |
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Posted by Dayuhan,
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This returns us to the overarching U.S. philosophical assumption that establishing a democracy and free market are the decisive actions for defeating (many interpretations) an insurgency. I'm not sure how many times this will have to be disproven before we have our aha moment that is not a universal law. The levels of corruption in both India and the Philippines largely make their democracies irrelevant to vast portions of the population to begin with (I realize I'm arguing against myself, but I'm trying to be fair). For external support the Maoists throughout S. Asia are interconnected to some degree, and of course the adage that an enemy of my enemy if my friend applies, so it isn't unreasonable to believe the Maoists in India are receiving some support from state actors hostile to India. In the Philippines the NPA at its current level of activity can probably sustain itself through various criminal activities and taxes. |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/wo..._r=2&ref=world
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Next article is just a reminder that old ideological foes still exist and they have their own networks that are regional and sometimes global. http://kasamaproject.org/2011/03/27/...asian-maoists/ Quote:
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How credible are the media reports? What foreign NGOs are involved, and what are they allegedly doing to encourage militancy?
Here we have a number of (predominantly local) NGOs that are essentially extensions and above-ground fronts for the armed movements. Foreign NGOs and local counterparts are involved, but often in a different way. At times they encourage resistance to government in ways that actually compete with the armed movements, offering peaceful political means toward similar goals, predominantly the goal of helping indigenous populations resist intrusion by extractive industry and outside settlers. I'd be interested in hearing if a similar dynamic plays out there. When NGOs help organize (for example) rallies or protests against perceived "development aggression", that's often seen, at least by some, as encouraging militancy. In practice, at least here, it plays out rather differently on the ground: if people see peaceful means of protecting themselves they are sometimes less interested in resorting to violence (unless of course the peaceful means are suppressed), and peaceful resistance can be an important safety valve, releasing tension before it reaches the point of violence. It's most effective, of course, when it works. If government ignores or steps on peaceful resistance, violent movements will take advantage. Quote:
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I'm still curious about the allegation in the article cited earlier that many of the fighters are in it for the money. Is that true? If so, where's the money coming from? Quote:
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It can and it does. The removal of external funding (mainly from Europe) has affected the internal dynamics of the organization, though. With regional units effectively raising their own funds, central control is diminished and the movement has become increasingly regionalized. If that continues, we could see a point at which it becomes less "the NPA" than a cluster of loosely allied regional armed movements.
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Western nations fund NGOs operating in developing countries to influence policy and subvert institutions. India does not need foreign-funded NGOs. http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnis...e-nations.html Indian law on foreign funds to NGOs worries UN body http://www.firstpost.com/india/india...dy-242888.html Foreign funds help NGOs fuel unrest in India http://dailypioneer.com/home/online-...-in-india.html It maybe interesting to note that the areas where foreign funds are being used by the NGOs are the places where terrorism and Maoism is at its prime! Then we have the infamous Binayak Sen's case, where the foreign 'intellectual' intervened with the Govt so that he could be released! He is a doctor who sympathised with the Marxists and was distributing Maoist and Communist pamphlets that advocated overthrowing of the Govt and Democracy and to set up a proletariat regime! |
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The exodus of the NE people (who are Hindus, Christians, animists) from Mumbai and cities of the South, was triggered off by threats to their lives by SMSes and MMSes because the Bodos (tribal people of Bodoland) clashed with the Muslims, the large majority being illegals from Bangladesh who have settled down and some even have acquired Indian ID cards through dubious means. In India, no one can settle down in tribal land. That land belongs to the tribal. The Muslims have slowly spread their wings into the tribal area and so that is the problem. The anger of the Muslims was expressed first in Mumbai, where a Muslim NGO Raza Academy held a protest rally. Mumbai broke into flames! I am only giving the links since the pictures and the video are disturbing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlZ6u...layer_embedded http://i.imgur.com/E4Ldr.jpg http://www.esakal.com/esakal/2012081...085509_Org.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kX5Gl.jpg https://p.twimg.com/A0BjaU0CcAAQ_r1.jpg:large http://gallery.mid-day.com/plog-cont...e-mumbai11.jpg http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...74133450_n.jpg (Destroying a memorial to the Fallen Soldiers) http://static.ibnlive.in.com/ibnlive...an_protest.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAF8g...layer_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5io2w...layer_embedded Last edited by Ray; 08-20-2012 at 02:53 PM. |
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The Muslims were agitated because they were angered over the Bodos (tribal, who are Christians and animists) causing 'trouble' for the Muslims.
They were also enraged over SMSes and MMSes circulated to them on the riots as also of the riots in Burma where the Burmese pushed out the Rohigyas (Muslims of the Arakan). Bangladesh pushed these Muslim Rohingyas back! They were angered that India had not done anything to Burma for what they had done to the Rohingya Muslims and they wanted action against the Bodos also. It will be interesting to note that these MMSes were doctored. Quote:
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If India did not have faith in Democracy, notwithstanding its faults, such type of activities including Kashmir, Maoists and communal bloodshed would have been solved in the manner in which Sri Lanka handled the LTTE or China handles all types of revolts by minorities and political deviants! But then, India is a Democracy! |
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Some fairly chaotic stuff there, representing another thing the Philippines and India seem to have in common: poor journalism. There's little attempt to distinguish among government-supported NGOs, privately funded NGOs, and foreign funding for domestic NGOs, they're simply lumped together. There's little appreciation for the broad spectrum of NGOs, which ranges from quasi-official government-funded groups like NED to issue-driven groups with a distinctly adversarial relationship with their own governments. In particular this claim:
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Mainstream groups like NED and Freedom House do inspire some anger, which is a good sign: if they weren't pissing anyone off they wouldn't be doing their jobs. Anyone familiar with either group, though, would know that neither they nor any similar group is likely to be funding Maoist rebels, or even antinuclear protests. What reason would the US Government have to oppose Indian development of nuclear power? Of course there are many independently funded NGOs, particularly of the environmental and generic left persuasion, that would support opposition to nuclear power plants, dams, mines, etc. Most of these groups have an intensely adversarial relationship with the US government, which they see as a tool of the evil corporations and a primary enemy. The extent to which they would fund armed Maoist rebels is another question altogether. Some might, most wouldn't: even where leaders are sympathetic, they're well aware that their own donor base would not be. NGOs typically prioritize the poorest and least developed areas, which are also those most susceptible to insurgency, so that's not necessarily evidence that NGOs are causing the insurgency. Is there any specific information on what NGOs are allegedly supporting actual armed rebellion (as opposed to demonstrations and other peaceful protests) and on the nature and extent of the alleged support?
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I wonder if American feel that the Wall Street Journal would qualify as chaotic or shoddy journalism. Our PM is a very pro US person ('Mr Bush, India loves you' is his quote when he met Mr Bush). If he feels that way he felt over the issue, then one cannot dismiss his comments perfunctorily. Most of the Indian editors are foreign educated (Oxford or Cambridge or Harvard or Princeton). The reason why US is not comfortable over the nuclear plant is that it is Russian backed, while it was the US (Mr Bush actually) which got India clearance for international nuclear fuel supply and, it was understood that India would buy US nuclear plant. The Liability factor on the supplier is what is the hurdle with the US nuclear plants. India is very careful on that after the Union Carbide case which caused the Bhopal Gas Tragedy. 2. Amnesty International is not a Mary Poppins inspite of the hype. I endorse the American opinion of this organisation and add it is also pro terrorist. Human rights is one thing and bending backward to castigate the Govt alone and not the terrorists is another. 3. Funding organisations that superstitiously espouse the Maoist and terrorist cause is indeed a part of a destabilisation at work. The Tablighi organisation is a charitable organisation, but the ulterior aim is something else. Here is a link Quote:
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Aid money and how it is used.
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Are they really doing much to improve the lives of the impoverished, underfed millions or is it to create unrest? Also, this aid is basically to improve commercial interest. Working as one team at Post: Guidance for DFID, UKTI and FCO staff on HMG’s Commercial Diplomacy and Untied Aid Agenda http://www.dfid.gov.uk/Documents/pub...-diplomacy.pdf Actually, nothing wrong in that. At least, the British Govt has clearly stated the reality upfront! The Govt deserves credit for being bold and forthright rather than being weasel mouthed as so many aid giving countries around the world! Some other views: If India doesn't want our aid, stop it now, Cameron told after country labels £280m-a-year donations as 'peanuts' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-offer-us.html The politics and arrogance of British aid to India Link |
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