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    The Tragedy of the European Union and How to Resolve It, George Soros, SEPTEMBER 27, 2012, The New York Review of Books, http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...gination=false

    I have been a fervent supporter of the European Union as the embodiment of an open society—a voluntary association of equal states that surrendered part of their sovereignty for the common good. The euro crisis is now turning the European Union into something fundamentally different. The member countries are divided into two classes—creditors and debtors—with the creditors in charge, Germany foremost among them. Under current policies debtor countries pay substantial risk premiums for financing their government debt, and this is reflected in the cost of financing in general. This has pushed the debtor countries into depression and put them at a substantial competitive disadvantage that threatens to become permanent.
    The policies pursued under German leadership will likely hold the euro together for an indefinite period, but not forever. The permanent division of the European Union into creditor and debtor countries with the creditors dictating terms is politically unacceptable for many Europeans. If and when the euro eventually breaks up it will destroy the common market and the European Union. Europe will be worse off than it was when the effort to unite it began, because the breakup will leave a legacy of mutual mistrust and hostility. The later it happens, the worse the ultimate outcome. That is such a dismal prospect that it is time to consider alternatives that would have been inconceivable until recently.

    In my judgment the best course of action is to persuade Germany to choose between becoming a more benevolent hegemon, or leading nation, or leaving the euro. In other words, Germany must lead or leave.
    When it was only an aspiration, the European Union was what psychologists call a “phantastic object,” a desirable goal that captured many people’s imagination, including mine. I regarded it as the embodiment of an open society. There were five large states and a number of small ones and they all subscribed to the principles of democracy, individual freedom, human rights, and the rule of law. No nation or nationality was dominant. Although the Brussels bureaucracy was often accused of a “democratic deficit,” elected parliaments had to give approval of the major steps.

    The process of integration was spearheaded by a small group of farsighted statesmen who practiced what Karl Popper called piecemeal social engineering. They recognized that perfection is unattainable; so they set limited objectives and firm timelines and then mobilized the political will for a small step forward knowing full well that when they achieved it, its inadequacy would become apparent and require a further step. The process fed on its own success, very much like a financial bubble. That is how the Coal and Steel Community was gradually transformed into the European Union, step by step.
    There is a close parallel between the euro crisis and the international banking crisis of 1982. Then the IMF and the international banking authorities saved the international banking system by lending just enough money to the heavily indebted countries to enable them to avoid default but at the cost of pushing them into a lasting depression. Latin America suffered a lost decade.

    Today Germany is playing the same role as the IMF did then. The details differ, but the effect is the same. The creditors are in effect shifting the whole burden of adjustment onto the debtor countries and avoiding their own responsibility for the imbalances. Interestingly, the terms “center,” or “core,” and “periphery” have crept into usage almost unnoticed, although it is obviously inappropriate to describe Italy and Spain as periphery countries. In effect, however, the introduction of the euro relegated some member states to the status of less developed countries without either the European authorities or the member countries realizing it. In retrospect, that is the root cause of the euro crisis.
    Imperial power can bring great benefits but it must be earned by looking after those who live under its aegis. The United States emerged as the leader of the free world after the end of World War II. The Bretton Woods system made it the first among equals, but the United States was a benevolent hegemon that earned the lasting gratitude of Europe by engaging in the Marshall Plan. That is the historic opportunity that Germany is missing by holding the heavily indebted countries to their Schuld.

    It is worth recalling that the reparations payments demanded of Germany after World War I were among the factors giving rise to National Socialism. And Germany had its own Schuld reduced on three separate occasions: the Dawes Plan in 1924, the Young Plan in 1929—too late to prevent the rise of Hitler—and the London Debt Agreement in 1953.

    Today Germany does not have imperial ambitions. Paradoxically, the desire to avoid dominating Europe is part of the reason why Germany has failed to rise to the occasion and behave as a benevolent hegemon. The steps taken by the ECB on September 6 constitute the minimum that is necessary to save the euro but they will also take us a step closer to a two-tier Europe. The debtor countries will have to submit to European supervision but the creditor countries will not; and the divergence in economic performance will be reinforced. The prospect of a prolonged depression and a permanent division into debtor and creditor countries is so dismal that it cannot be tolerated. What are the alternatives?
    1. Establishing a more or less level playing field between debtor and creditor countries, which would mean that they would be able to refinance their government debt on more or less equal terms.

    2. Aiming at nominal growth of up to 5 percent so that Europe can grow its way out of its excessive debt burden. This will necessitate a higher level of inflation than the Bundesbank is likely to countenance. It may also require a treaty change and a change in the German constitution.
    By contrast, if Germany were to exit and leave the common currency in the hands of the debtor countries, the euro would fall and the accumulated debt would depreciate in line with the currency. Practically all the currently intractable problems would dissolve. The debtor countries would regain competitiveness; their debt would diminish in real terms and, with the ECB in their control, the threat of default would evaporate. Without Germany, the euro area would have no difficulty in carrying out the U-turn for which it would otherwise need Chancellor Merkel’s consent.
    What can bring Germany to decide whether to stay in the euro without destroying the European Union or to allow the debtor countries to solve their problems on their own by leaving the euro?

    External pressure could do it. With François Hollande as the new president, France is the obvious candidate to advocate an alternative policy for Europe. By forming a common front with Italy and Spain, France could present an economically credible and politically appealing program that would save the common market and recapture the European Union as the idealistic vision that fired people’s imagination. The common front could then present Germany with the choice: lead or leave. The objective would not be to exclude Germany, but to radically change its policy stance.

    Unfortunately, France is not in a strong position to form a united front with Italy and Spain in the face of determined opposition from Germany. Chancellor Merkel is not only a strong leader but also a skilled politician who knows how to keep adversaries divided. France is particularly vulnerable because it has done less than Italy or Spain to accomplish fiscal consolidation and structural reforms. The relatively low risk premium that French government bonds currently enjoy is due almost entirely to France’s close association with Germany. Asian central banks have been buying French bonds, especially since German Bunds have started selling at negative yields. Should France ally itself too closely with Italy and Spain, it would be judged by the same yardstick and the risk premium on its bonds may rise to similar levels.
    The campaign to change German attitudes will therefore have to take a very different form from the intergovernmental negotiations that are currently deciding policy. European civil society, the business community, and the general public need to mobilize and become engaged. At present, the public in many eurozone countries is distressed, confused, and angry. This finds expression in xenophobia, anti-European attitudes, and extremist political movements. The latent pro-European sentiments, which currently have no outlet, need to be aroused in order to save the European Union. Such a movement would encounter a sympathetic response in Germany, where the large majority is still pro-European but under the spell of false fiscal and monetary doctrines.
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    @Surferbeetle: Good that somebody keeps this key thread running. I have been busy recently and have not spent much time in the net.

    Something which catched my attention in the last days has been the drop in the share of equity buyers of homes in Germany and Austria mustered to finance their (IIRC first houses). The former has come from a report in the Suedeutschen Zeitung, the latter from insider sources in the sector.

    The inflation fear, low rates and a relative good economic environment (yes, indeed) and perhaps the recent price hike ( the usual paradox) could all play a role. Who knows the cause(s), but if true it is an interesting development which might effect other pieces of the European economy.

    More research is of course required...
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    Crisis fuels Catalan independence push, By David Gardner in London, September 11, 2012 5:21 pm, Financial Times, www.ft.com

    Catalonia no longer fits within Spain and needs to explore the option of independence, according to a leading nationalist and former head of the Catalan regional government.
    “It seems our understanding of our place within Spain has changed,” Mr Pujol says. He points to two main causes: first, a fiscal system whereby Catalonia, which has a relatively rich economy the size of Portugal’s, transfers up to 9 per cent of its gross domestic product to Madrid each year; second, the 2010 decision of Spain’s constitutional court to strike down reforms approved by the Catalan and Spanish parliaments that significantly enhanced home rule.
    El clamor independentista colapsa Barcelona, Javier Oms | Víctor Mondelo | Germán González | Barcelona, Actualizado martes 11/09/2012 21:40 horas, El Mundo, http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/0...347377095.html

    • Guerra de cifras: dos millones de asistentes para los convocantes, 1,5 para los Mossos y 600.000 para la Policía Nacional y la Guardia Civil

    • La masa convocada reivindica bajo el lema 'Cataluña, nuevo Estado de Europa'

    • Los organizadores serán recibidos por Artur Mas en los próximos dos días

    • Cuatro encapuchados queman banderas de España, la Unión Europea y Francia
    El independentismo catalán logra una histórica exhibición de fuerza, ÀNGELS PIÑOL Barcelona 11 SEP 2012 - 23:26 CET, El Pais, http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2012/09/...08_419590.html

    Barcelona ha vivido este martes una exhibición independentista sin precedentes, pacífica y sin un solo incidente. La manifestación de la Diada reunió a centenares de miles de personas procedentes de todo Cataluña. Fue una explosión secesionista, en la que participaron gentes de todas las edades y extracción social, que recorrieron el centro de Barcelona reivindicando la independencia. Con dos millones de asistentes, según los organizadores; 1,5 millones, según la Guardia Urbana, y unas 600.000 personas, según los cálculos de EL PAÍS, a las siete de la tarde, la manifestación rompió todas las previsiones y superó numéricamente a la de 1977, que reivindicó el Estatuto, y dejó pequeña la de julio de 2010, en contra del fallo del Tribunal Constitucional que recortó varios artículos de esa norma.

    Convocada por un grupo independentista, la Assemblea Nacional de Catalana (ANC), bajo el lema Cataluña, nuevo estado de Europa, la marcha, transversal y que abarcó políticamente desde Convergència a los ecosocialistas de Iniciativa (ICV-EUiA), sumó socialmente muchas sensibilidades con un denominador común: la independencia es la solución para Cataluña. Ya antes de empezar, el Paseo de Gràcia se vio desbordado, incapaz de absorber la marea humana roja, amarilla y azul, ya con senyeres o estelades (bandera independentista), ya fueran banderas o capas, que se dirigía al punto de salida. Al grito de in-inde-indepèndencia, Barcelona en realidad vivió varias manifestaciones simultáneas con cortejos en las calles paralelas al paseo.
    Una marea de manifestantes ha colapsado Barcelona bajo el lema 'Cataluña, Estado de Europa', 20MINUTOS.ES / AGENCIAS. 11.09.2012, http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1585...alunya-estado/

    National Day of Catalonia, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Catalonia

    Jordi Pujol i Soley, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordi_Pujol_i_Soley

    Mariano Rajoy, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariano_Rajoy

    A Fistful Of Euros, Posted on August 12, 2012 by Edward Hugh, The Owl Of Minerva, http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-owl-of-minerva/

    Just to round the commemorations off, in the August edition of their monthly bulletin the ECB finally let out that dirty little secret than every insider in the know has already discounted. The Bank have finally accepted that the much heralded Spanish labour reform isn’t going to work. At least not as planned. As the Financial Times put it, the Spanish labour market reform approved in February was “far-reaching and comprehensive” but came too late, the ECB implied, saying it “could have proved very beneficial” in avoiding job cuts if the measure had been passed some years ago.
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    Property prices have been going up, up, and up in Switzerland.... store of value, medium of exchange, property rights, enduring rule of law, hmmm, looks like many people are heading back to the old school basics...

    SNB Seen Targeting Bank Capital to Curb Property Boom: Mortgages, By Simone Meier and Klaus Wille - Aug 13, 2012 4:47 AM MT, Bloomberg News, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...mortgages.html

    Thomas Jordan’s fight to protect the Swiss economy is set to widen beyond currency markets and too- big-to fail risks as the central bank chairman considers how to curb the biggest real-estate boom in two decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firn View Post
    @Surferbeetle: Good that somebody keeps this key thread running. I have been busy recently and have not spent much time in the net.

    Something which catched my attention in the last days has been the drop in the share of equity buyers of homes in Germany and Austria mustered to finance their (IIRC first houses). The former has come from a report in the Suedeutschen Zeitung, the latter from insider sources in the sector.

    The inflation fear, low rates and a relative good economic environment (yes, indeed) and perhaps the recent price hike ( the usual paradox) could all play a role. Who knows the cause(s), but if true it is an interesting development which might effect other pieces of the European economy.

    More research is of course required...
    From a more northern German POV - my sister is bankster in the credit department of a bank in the Hannover region:

    Since 2000 it has been a very rare event for her to provide a typical German credit financing, i.e. people have 25% own money and get 75% as credit. It was quite common during the last decade that customers only wanted around 30% credit, the rest was provided by other family members. So no real surprise for me that this developement continous at even lower level in the current situation.

    Living in Austria, I know from friends that it has been quite common for years that Italians bought flats in some Austrian cities, esp. Salzburg. Again higher money influx simply led to an additional increase.

    You can add, that the last two years many objects were bought by Austrian and German insurance companies, this lead to increased prices (>5% p.a.) in my home town Graz, that's a lot for Austria.

    Common for Germany and Austria was that there was no real estate bubble, this may change in some cities but generally real estate is still considered worth the money by "professional" investors - I have a different opinion :-).

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    Default Catalonia celebrated its national day on 11 September

    This BBC News report provides some context on the Catalan issue:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19566838
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    Ulenspiegel,

    Comparing and contrasting typical German mortgage financing with US financing is pretty interesting, in particular with the not so distant NINJA (no in come, job, assets) mortgage history in the US. There seem to be lessons learned from this when one considers Basel III's strict capital requirements for banks...and the implementation fight and associated timetable is a story in and of itself.

    David,

    It looks like the negotiations regarding a greater say, or even the maximalist position of full autonomy, have been energized by the higher level EU machinations of late. It should go without saying, however, that using the mob to strengthen one's bargaining position is a dangerous route to take.

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    Antrge auf Erlass einer einstweiligen Anordnung zur Verhinderung der
    Ratifikation von ESM-Vertrag und Fiskalpakt berwiegend erfolglos, Bundesverfassungsgericht - Pressestelle -

    Pressemitteilung Nr. 67/2012 vom 12. September 2012
    Urteil vom 12. September 2012

    http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht....bvg12-067.html

    Das Bundesverfassungsgericht hat heute sein Urteil ber mehrere Antrge
    auf Erlass einer einstweiligen Anordnung verkndet. Die Antrge sind vor
    allem darauf gerichtet, dem Bundesprsidenten bis zur Entscheidung ber
    die jeweilige Hauptsache zu untersagen, die am 29. Juni 2012 von
    Bundestag und Bundesrat beschlossenen Gesetze auszufertigen und damit
    die Voraussetzung fr die Ratifikation der mit ihnen gebilligten
    vlkerrechtlichen Vertrge - des Vertrages zur Einrichtung des
    Europischen Stabilittsmechanismus (ESM-Vertrag) und des Vertrages ber
    Stabilitt, Koordinierung und Steuerung in der Wirtschafts- und
    Whrungsunion (sog. Fiskalvertrag) - zu schaffen.

    ber den Sachverhalt informiert die Pressemitteilung Nr. 47/2012 vom 2.
    Juli 2012. Sie kann auf der Homepage des Bundesverfassungsgerichts
    eingesehen werden.

    Der Zweite Senat des Bundesverfassungsgerichts hat die Antrge mit der
    Magabe abgelehnt, dass eine Ratifizierung des ESM-Vertrages nur
    zulssig ist, wenn vlkerrechtlich sichergestellt wird, dass
    1. durch die in Art. 8 Abs. 5 Satz 1 des ESM-Vertrages (ESMV) geregelte
    Haftungsbeschrnkung smtliche Zahlungsverpflichtungen der
    Bundesrepublik Deutschland aus diesem Vertrag der Hhe nach auf ihren
    Anteil am genehmigten Stammkapital des ESM (190.024.800.000 Euro)
    begrenzt sind
    und keine Vorschrift dieses Vertrages so ausgelegt werden
    darf, dass fr die Bundesrepublik Deutschland ohne Zustimmung des
    deutschen Vertreters in den Gremien des ESM hhere
    Zahlungsverpflichtungen
    begrndet werden,
    2. die Regelungen des ESM-Vertrages ber die Unverletzlichkeit der
    Unterlagen des ESM (Art. 32 Abs. 5, Art. 35 Abs. 1 ESMV) und die
    berufliche Schweigepflicht aller fr den ESM ttigen Personen (Art. 34
    ESMV) einer umfassenden Unterrichtung des Bundestages und des
    Bundesrates nicht entgegenstehen
    .

    Die Bundesrepublik Deutschland muss zum Ausdruck bringen, dass sie an
    den ESM-Vertrag insgesamt nicht gebunden sein will, falls sich die von
    ihr geltend zu machenden Vorbehalte als unwirksam erweisen sollten.
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    Default Different attitudes

    I was told by friends who lived in the USA for many years that in the States it is considered a good thing if you have a credit history; in Austria and Germany it is much better if you do not have one: Consumer credit or maxing out your credit card means for a German banker that you are not able to save, result is you end in a high risc group and pay higher interst rates for your mortgage. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulenspiegel View Post
    From a more northern German POV - my sister is bankster in the credit department of a bank in the Hannover region:

    Since 2000 it has been a very rare event for her to provide a typical German credit financing, i.e. people have 25% own money and get 75% as credit. It was quite common during the last decade that customers only wanted around 30% credit, the rest was provided by other family members. So no real surprise for me that this developement continous at even lower level in the current situation.

    Living in Austria, I know from friends that it has been quite common for years that Italians bought flats in some Austrian cities, esp. Salzburg. Again higher money influx simply led to an additional increase.

    You can add, that the last two years many objects were bought by Austrian and German insurance companies, this lead to increased prices (>5% p.a.) in my home town Graz, that's a lot for Austria.

    Common for Germany and Austria was that there was no real estate bubble, this may change in some cities but generally real estate is still considered worth the money by "professional" investors - I have a different opinion :-).
    While I do strongly agree with the second part of your post I think I did not make my point clear about the equity ratio. I read a short notice in the Suedeutschen on which this recent
    article seems to be based and it did fit my perception about a recent development in parts of Switzerland, Germany and Austria. A shallow googling seemed to strenghen this view. Basically there seems to be a run on "safe values" like houses in which an increasing amount of persons participate with little equity.

    Some attractive areas have, has you have noted, indeed the problem that much non-local money flows into housing. Examples in Italy are the for example many villages in the Dolomites, creating a bad ratio between income and housing for the locals. The recent price declines seems strongly correlated with the redirection of the flow of legal or black money into similar objects in safer and more discrete locations. The infamous tax raid in Cortina d'Anpez is maybe a good symbol of the increasing focus on tax evasion and the strong tax increases in an already very heavily taxed country.

    All in all it is not best of signs if something seems to become such a safe bet that considerable risk is taken by two sides to make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firn View Post
    While I do strongly agree with the second part of your post I think I did not make my point clear about the equity ratio. I read a short notice in the Suedeutschen on which this recent
    article seems to be based and it did fit my perception about a recent development in parts of Switzerland, Germany and Austria. A shallow googling seemed to strenghen this view. Basically there seems to be a run on "safe values" like houses in which an increasing amount of persons participate with little equity.

    Some attractive areas have, has you have noted, indeed the problem that much non-local money flows into housing. Examples in Italy are the for example many villages in the Dolomites, creating a bad ratio between income and housing for the locals. The recent price declines seems strongly correlated with the redirection of the flow of legal or black money into similar objects in safer and more discrete locations. The infamous tax raid in Cortina d'Anpez is maybe a good symbol of the increasing focus on tax evasion and the strong tax increases in an already very heavily taxed country.

    All in all it is not best of signs if something seems to become such a safe bet that considerable risk is taken by two sides to make it.
    OK, there are different aspects:

    1) Switzerland is in a completely different position than Germany and Austria, real estate there is even with Swiss income extremly expensive in the whole country. They play in a different league.

    2) The citizens of some German cities like Munich, Stuttgart, Hamburg, Berlin experienced the last 5 years high annual increases of real estate prices without the same increase of their income, here the situation is described correctly by the Sddeutsche. But these cities are not the avarage. Here banks are tempted to reduce the requiremets for own money. How this plays out will be seen.
    Minor issues: Berlin price level in absolute numbers was much lower than the Munich level and berlin has a quite different structure of its surrounding areas, IMHO it is a little bit comparing apple and oranges.

    3) Most cities shrink or fight to keep the current number of citizens (e.g. Hannover), here you need as investor good knowledge and feeling which neighbourhoods will prosper, which will stagnate, which will die, or even more tricky, which towns and villages near relatively attractive cities will survive. These B- or C-cities/towns have a very low price level and promise if correctly selected very nice ROI. Therefore, my bet is that a lot of the investments will make a loss because real estate agents working not longer on their home turf do not have these information.
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    The construction of houses in Germany varies a lot. The property to build a house on is about as expensive as the house in some regions, while it's almost fro free in others (and practically for free in certain regions where it's more typical to build a house on property that you got as a gift at your marriage and the like).

    Decent old houses can be cheaper than a small car in some regions - especially in rural regions with shrinking population.

    The construction of a new house varies even with equal quality a lot. Rural house construction often involves a lot of own work or work done by friends or relatives. The construction costs are in such cases not much higher than the material costs and in some regions even a car mechanic with an unemployed wife can build a family house before he turns 30.


    Some cities (especially Frankfurt, Munich) have a well-deserved reputation for high cost of living in general and high cost of housing in particular. Wages for work in corporations in these areas tend to be clearly above average, while many public employees need to evade into cheaper surrounding towns and villages.


    Germany does not tend to have bubbles in major markets. The only bubbles I remember right now were about exaggerations in new or revived sectors that experienced at least some degree of public subsidies or other incentives.

    Houses are considered as an investment, but only so for securing the standard of life after retirement. They're durable enough to carry utility from *now* to 40 years in the future, while all other wealth during retirement depends on the economic output of that time (GDP in 40 years will pay for retirement money in 40 years). The demographic change means that this may become unsatisfactory.
    We do usually not plan on selling houses we once owned unless they're inherited. We don't tend to buy or build a house when we expect to move to another job at a later time.

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    Fuchs post pretty muchs mirrors the situation in Italy. In general, based on observation and rather solid facts like the saving rate and personal debt the Italians tend to behave in a similar way when it comes to enduring/durable goods. We just manage the res publica much worse.

    A big difference is the amount an Italian spends on food - then again we have good reasons for it. First it costs more in then in German stores and second it is very difficult to find another Western country in which you get such an excellent ROI on "eating out". This naturally drives demand.

    P.S: Spending on durable goods has dropped in Italy a great deal since the depression started. The car market which is on level last seen sixty years ago is just the most visible sign. All in all it is a great time to buy a car if you have the money and need one.
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