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Here are some pictures of that ceremony: http://www.soleildugraben.com/actual...-mensonge.html This is important cause those special operation troops were present in Rutshuru territory (DRC) during the fighting between FARDC and M23. As soon as they were gone, M23 took over their positions. (here is an article in French: http://radiookapi.net/actualite/2012...ises-kiseguro/). Also, if you look at the first picture, there is a US soldier present during the ceremony. Last edited by davidbfpo; 09-07-2012 at 10:03 PM. Reason: Fix quote |
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Is an arrangement developing between the US and Rwanda similar to the one between the US and Uganda, where we sort of use them as proxy troops?
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While some accross the seas are trying to find excuses to the M23 rebels backed by Rwanda in DRC, HRW details what it is to live under M23 rules:
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Let's not be complesent and once again watch away from Central Africa atrocities. |
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There was an hearing on Rwanda involvement in DRC insurgency at House Committee on Foreign Affairs.
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More commentary on the 'dark heart of Africa', primarily due to local actors and the failure of the UN mission. There are some hopeful signs.
Link:http://www.opendemocracy.net/andrew-...d-crisis-cycle
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Thanks David for posting this. it balances my previous post which is quite in defavour of Rwanda. But also, if you take the time to read Bishop Ntambo Nkulu Ntanda testimony extremely harsh on DRC.
I would like to highlight the core issue in this endless conflict: blood minerals. Quote:
I could say it but Mr Kagame, President of the Republic of Rwanda says it better than me: Is it strange for Rwanda to have “economic interests” in DR Congo? http://newsofrwanda.com/breaking/135...ests-dr-congo/ I agree with Mr Kagame: Rwanda has all rights to have economical interrest in DRC but the real questions is how his country managed to increase its mineral taxes revenues from 89 $millions to 190 $millions between 2010 and 2011? This when suddently at least one of the main mines in DRC, controled by Rwandan citizen and war criminal Bosco Ntaganda (According to ICC and UN experts panel), "officially" stop to produce minerals... US and Europ based companies which are boycotting (rightly) DRC minerals should also boycott Rwanda mineral until all this mess has been cleared. This would be fair. |
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Eastern Congo: Why Stabilisation Failed
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The briefing should be available in english next week. It tries to explore the roots of the actual conflict in Eastern DRC. The briefing does not focus on Rwanda involvement, others did it extremely well, but rather lookes at where M23 comes from. |
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The only solution is to choke them off at the source. Which, of course, requires strong military intervention.
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Also, you can buy coltan and Cassiterit from Brasil or other part of the world. So it should be in the interrest of DRC to act. But... Easier to say than to have it done. Finally, military solution is just the visible part of the iceberg. The last ICG report points out the fact that there is no real political will to implement conflict resolution mechanisms from all parties (DRC, Rwanda, ICRGL and international community): this is what needs to change. |
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The english version of ICG report on M23 has been released:
http://www.crisisgroup.org/~/media/F...ion-failed.pdf And the overview: http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/region...on-failed.aspx Comments welcomed |
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With the US elections coming, Uganda and Rwanda are taking advantage of the paralysed US diplomacy to increase their presence in Eastern DRC. Elections of Rwanda as a non permanent member of the UNSC was already a big camouffle for the United Nations and the possibilities of peace in the sub region. Bringing peace in Great Lakes region could be easy, as in 2009 merely a phone call away. Next US presedent, who ever he is, should not be stopped by some black mail from Uganda and Rwanda over their participations to Somalia and Darfur peace keeping operations. It has to be clear that the price to enter UNSC and to be a regarded peace keeper is peace in Eastern DRC not a right to loot Eastern DRC. |
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DR Congo’s Goma: Avoiding a New Regional War
Brussels/Nairobi | 20 Nov 2012 The east Congolese city of Goma and its key airport have reportedly fallen after heavy fighting to the M23 rebel group. Regional and international actors must now prevent this turning into a new regional war. The past week has shown history repeating itself in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), with the same tragic consequences for civilians in the region (see Crisis Group briefing from 4 October for background). On 15 November 2012, the M23 rebel movement, with – according to the DRC – the backing of Rwanda’s armed forces, broke the 25 July de facto ceasefire observed with the Congolese army (Forces Armées de la République Démocratique du Congo, FARDC) and launched an offensive against Goma, the capital of North Kivu province. Unable, despite numerous attempts, to extend its control over the resource-rich Masisi territory, constrained by Uganda’s closure of its Bunangana border with the DRC and frustrated by the decision of the UN Security Council to place its main leader, Sultani Makenga, on the UN sanctions list, the M23 had finally decided to make real its threat to attack the city. On 18 November, following three days of fighting, the movement broke the FARDC’s resistance and tried to force the government of President Joseph Kabila to negotiate. On 19 November, after several fruitless attempts at talks and an ultimatum from the M23 to the government, fighting broke out inside Goma, a city under the defence of the FARDC and UN peacekeepers (MONUSCO). The M23’s ultimatum had demanded the FARDC’s withdrawal from, and the demilitarisation of, Goma and its airport; the reopening of the Bunangana border post; and an inclusive negotiation process to bring in the unarmed Congolese political opposition, civil society and the diaspora. By making this demand, the M23 aimed to reduce the crisis to a domestic affair, thereby preventing Kinshasa from internationalising it in order to negotiate a solution at the regional level through the International Conference on the Great Lakes Region (ICGLR) with those neighbouring countries that allegedly support the M23 rebellion. While negotiations were on the verge of starting in Goma, President Kabila ultimately refused to recognise the M23 as a legitimate interlocutor, and clashes broke out inside the city. The rebels entered Goma on 20 November, forcing the Congolese army to retreat to Sake. The new offensive is a tragic repeat of the threat by Laurent Nkunda’s Conseil National de Défense du Peuple (CNDP) to take Goma in 2008. Once again, the civilian population is paying a heavy price. As in 2008, the same causes could produce the same fearful effects: •the fall of Goma could lead to serious human rights abuses against civilian populations; •the settling of accounts or even targeted extrajudicial executions against authorities and civil society activists who have taken a stance against the M23 since the beginning of the crisis in March could raise the death toll and fuel more violence; •Kinshasa’s capitulation to the M23 could send shock waves throughout the Kivus and relaunch open warfare between the DRC and Rwanda; and •the UN and the ICGLR, both responsible for conflict management in the region, are being discredited. As immediate steps, regional and international actors must secure: •an end to fighting inside Goma; •M23’s commitment to respect MONUSCO’s mandate to fully protect civilians; and •M23’s concrete assurances, visible on the ground, to respect civilians and property in areas under their control, and prevent further human rights abuses. To avoid a regional implosion, the following steps are also necessary: •explicit condemnation by the UN Security Council, African Union (AU) and ICGLR of external involvement in the fighting; •immediate efforts by MONUSCO’s leadership to seek to negotiate and secure a formal ceasefire, as well as accelerate the deployment of the Joint Verification Mechanism and the Neutral Force agreed by the ICGLR; •sanctions by the European Union (EU), UN Security Council, and especially France, the UK and the U.S., as well as the AU, not only against the rebellion’s leaders, but also against their external supporters; •an investigation by the International Criminal Court into the actions of the M23 and new armed groups, and the request by the court that MONUSCO transfer its files concerning M23 leaders; and •the immediate establishment of a joint fact-finding mission in the region by the AU, EU, Belgian, South African and U.S. special envoys for the Great Lakes to determine the best course for arriving at the long-term resolution of this crisis. The immediate priority is to stop the current fighting and protect civilians. Long-term solutions will require that the UN Security Council, AU and ICGLR ensure that peace agreements and that stabilisation plans no longer remain empty promises. To achieve this, coordinated and unequivocal pressure on the Congolese government and the M23 rebel movement, as well as the latter’s external supporters, is required from international donors and regional actors. http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/public...ional-war.aspx |
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If M23 holds Goma airport, has the UN moved all their helos to Bukavu?
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NPR picks up the ball
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...-in-four-years The MONUSCO North Kivu Brigade(?) HQ'd in Goma supposedly musters 4k troops, with the Ukrainian 18th Independent Helicopter unit manning those Hinds. No word on what they did when M23 rolled into town, other than "not resisting" although Goma's airfield got mortared from over in Rwanda yesterday. It would have made sense to displace the three aviation units to Bukavu. Hmmm... make popcorn, this is gonna get interesting.
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If I were a betting man and had the fuel to do so, I would beat feet to Entebbe where my UN logistics base resides. Otherwise, I’d fly my butt for 15 minutes to Kigali. Bukavu seems a crap shoot with a dilapidated airfield and true Congolese hospitality on the tarmac ![]() How goes it ? Regards, Stan
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Considering that Rwanda is supporting M23, wouldn't that be sort of... weird?
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