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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cruel-Britan.../dp/1846273331 NT on Amazon.com, although it has been published for a month. The book was discussed at The Frontline Club recently; link to the podcast:http://www.frontlineclub.com/cruel-b...-of-torture-3/ A comprehensive review by Nicholas Mercer: Quote:
Nicholas Mercer being an unknown name to me, I followed a link and had a shock: Quote:
Now a long time ago I remember the agony and more when it was clear torture had been used in Northern Ireland. Remarkably the 'lessons learnt', which included guidance from an outraged Lord Gardiner, then the head of the judiciary, had been "lost" by time Iraq came along. Only this week have more documents been produced from the archives on deaths in Hola Camp, Kenya during the Mau-Mau campaign; a civil action is under-way by three Kenyan claimants and the policy 'Oh no we don't' remains: Quote:
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The torture allegations from Iraq have a scheduled civil court hearing this week and one academic has written:
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Sad and disappointing. Especially since the British Joint Services' interrogation training is very professional (no torture or 'coercive' methods in the curriculum), and in many ways superior to the manner in which US Army interrogators are trained.
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Perhaps our resident legal minds can decipher this odd piece of UK criminal law, Criminal Justice Act 1988, Part XI Torture, Section 134:http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/33/section/134
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Under the Criminal Justice Act 1988, 1988 c. 33, Part XI, Torture, Section 134, the essence of the crime is that the actor "intentionally inflicts severe pain or suffering on another ...." The US statute (18 USC 2340-2340B) is similar ("specifically intended"), but explicitly enhances penalties where death results.
It is not enough to prove that serious pain or suffering was inflicted. The added requirement is that the actor intended that result. Thus, the actor's state of mind is all important. For example, if the actor inflicts serious pain or suffering negligently or recklessly, the crime of torture is not committed - other crimes are possible, but not torture. The defense deals with situations where the actor intentionally inflicts severe pain or suffering on another, but where: Quote:
If we have a "wartime" situation, intentional infliction of severe pain or suffering upon enemy combatants is the norm; and, in fact, may extend to civilians - even though they are known to be within the scope of the force applied against the enemy combatants. For example, a half dozen men (all PID'd as enemy combatants) enter a house by one entrance. A half dozen women and children (with no apparent link to the men) enter it by another entrance. Both groups are fleeing from a surrounding firefight. If a 500 lb bomb is used to level the house, the official calling that shot may well be within the law (Laws of War, LOAC, IHL), even though knowing full well that the strike will result in severe pain or suffering (and likely, death) to the women and children. We (US) have the "justification defense" generalized in Rule 916 of our 2012 Manual for Courts Martial; at II-110 & II-111: Quote:
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