The Second Ammendment Lobby and Police Safety

[TheCurmudgeon]

Save a Life, Kill A Cop

Albuquerque police are investigating how flyers that encourage the killing of officers found their way into copies of the Albuquerque Journal, according to KOB News.

A spokesperson with APD said the flyers were stuck into newspapers, and a wife of an APD officer said one was even delivered to her doorstep.

The spokesperson said attacks and threats against police have been overwhelming at times. People have been calling in with death threats, their property has been vandalized multiple times, their social media sites have been inundated with various hate messages, and now these flyers.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/sli...3aEDrBx1eZz.99

Just for historical note, the below flyers were floating around Dallas in November 1963. It is worth noting that appointing "Anti-Christian" judges is treason. I guess some things never change.

Two days before President Kennedy’s trip to Dallas, right-wingers began circulating around the city some 5,000 anti-Kennedy handbills. Entitled “Wanted for Treason,” these leaflets were designed to look like a police “wanted” poster, with front and profile photographs of Kennedy’s head.

http://www.law.uga.edu/dwilkes_more/...blownaway.html

[TheCurmudgeon]

A little more on the Bundy versus BLM saga ...

So, on the one hand we have Bundy, who’s said, “I don’t recognize [the] United States government as even existing.” It led him to repeatedly ignore federal law, repeatedly blow federal court rulings, and refuse to pay federal fines for his transgressions. On the other hand we have the United States government – which does, in fact, exist – showing considerable restraint in trying to resolve the problem.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...-crisis-nevada

and the view from the protestors side:

“People are getting tired of the federal government having unlimited power,” said Bundy’s wife, Carol, in a statement.

Last week, government agents descended upon the property, which is 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas. They set up a blockade on the road leading to the ranch, and clashed with several hundred protesters. Tasers were used on at least one person: Bundy’s son, Ammon. Another son, Dave, was briefly taken into custody by authorities.

The establishment of a designated “First Amendment zone,” drew criticism from many people, including Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval, a Republican. Citizens’ free speech rights were protected only when they were standing in the First Amendment zone.

“Most disturbing to me is the BLM’s establishment of a ‘First Amendment Area’ that tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution,” said Sandoval in a statement.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/12/vi...allenged-feds/

Just so you know, the guy in the picture is not a Federal Agent. He is one of the protestors who was probably outside the "first amendment zone".

[slapout9]

A little more on the Bundy versus BLM saga ...

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...-crisis-nevada

and the view from the protestors side:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/12/vi...allenged-feds/

Just so you know, the guy in the picture is not a Federal Agent. He is one of the protestors who was probably outside the "first amendment zone".

I think there may be more to this story then meets the eye. A local talk show host Dan Morris,former official in the Reagan administration , reported that the head of the BLM was a former Campaign staffer for US Senator from Nevada Harry Reid. A strange left wing organization called the Center for Biological Diversity, may have been the organization that forced this situation to a head. This may be more about the radical ideaology and methods of our present administration and how they get past the rule of law. This may turn into another scandal for the administration and they surely don't need that.

[TheCurmudgeon]

I think there may be more to this story then meets the eye. A local talk show host Dan Morris,former official in the Reagan administration , reported that the head of the BLM was a former Campaign staffer for US Senator from Nevada Harry Reid. A strange left wing organization called the Center for Biological Diversity, may have been the organization that forced this situation to a head. This may be more about the radical ideaology and methods of our present administration and how they get past the rule of law. This may turn into another scandal for the administration and they surely don't need that.

Slap,

No offense, but I don't care what political agenda may have been behind the action. There were law enforcement officers from the BLM acting in accordance with a court order. The Rule of Law dicatates that, if you have a problem with a court order you appeal it, you don't surround the BLM officers with AR-15s.

[slapout9]

Slap,

No offense, but I don't care what political agenda may have been behind the action. There were law enforcement officers from the BLM acting in accordance with a court order. The Rule of Law dicatates that, if you have a problem with a court order you appeal it, you don't surround the BLM officers with AR-15s.

Curmudgy,
No offense taken. Discussion and disagreement with intelligent professionals is always good. My point is this was primarily a Civil Matter that is being escalated for Political reasons.

[davidbfpo]

Surely there are local criminal laws that apply to the man with an AR-15 and pistol, taking up position on a public road and appearing to be ready to shoot?

Elsewhere I have seen a man with what looked like a AK47.

[Stan]

Surely there are local criminal laws that apply to the man with an AR-15 and pistol, taking up position on a public road and appearing to be ready to shoot?

David, not on I-95 in the DC area

[TheCurmudgeon]

Surely there are local criminal laws that apply to the man with an AR-15 and pistol, taking up position on a public road and appearing to be ready to shoot?

Elsewhere I have seen a man with what looked like a AK47.

Nevada is an "Open Carry" state.

Nevada is a better place than most for Farrell because it is "an open--carry state." Nevada reiterates the right to bear arms in its constitution and does not have blanket restrictions on law-abiding citizens’ open carrying of firearms.

That’s why a dozen or so people who attended the March 27 Tea Party rally in Searchlight were able to openly carry firearms. ...

On the night of June 24, [Ferrell] holstered up his loaded 40-caliber Glock 23 pistol and proceeded to a sidewalk on Las Vegas Boulevard, just south of Charleston Boulevard, where he was certain he would be noticed by police. He was.

It wasn’t his first encounter with the law. While vacationing in Nashua, N.H., early last year, he was stopped on foot on the way to a bank by police who asked about his gun. Minutes later he was allowed to go about his business with gun in tow. Such is life in the “live free or die” state, apparently.

The Las Vegas Strip encounter was far more intense, with police arriving in squad cars and on motorcycles in a show of force, guns drawn. Farrell was handcuffed and his gun was confiscated, its bullets removed. Over the course of the next 23 minutes, Farrell invoked his right to talk to an attorney, told police not to touch his gun, and that he hadn’t consented to being searched and detained. He refused to answer questions about whether he possessed a registration card for the weapon, and invoked his right to remain silent.

Bottom line: He hadn’t committed any crime. After police ran a background check on Farrell, confirming his gun was properly registered, and finding that he also has a concealed-weapons permit and is not a dangerous criminal, he was uncuffed. He was handed back his gun but the bullets were dropped down one of his pants pockets and the empty magazine was placed on an irrigation box 100 feet away. He was ordered not to move until police drove away.

“I understand the need for officer safety,” Farrell said. “These guys have a tough job. But officer safety does not trump my rights. To stop me there has to be something other than the fact I have a gun. They shouldn’t have even taken my gun.”

In my opinion, Ferrell was wrong. The right to remain silent applies when there is a question as to whether you committed a crime. If he was confident he was within his rights, he should not told the officers what they needed to know. Absent straight answers, an officer has to assume the worst. That is what I would do.

See Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTrGD5JltK0

It would probably be felony assault if he actually rose up over the barrier and pointed the weapon at a police officer, but simply observing from behind the barrier is probably not assault.

[carl]

http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/12/vi...allenged-feds/

Just so you know, the guy in the picture is not a Federal Agent. He is one of the protestors who was probably outside the "first amendment zone".

I think you are making a little too much of this photo. Nobody in the background is taking any notice of this guy, they all have cameras pointing at the ground. And the guy is in sort of a movie poster ready for action pose.

I think it most likely that it is a 'hey look at me shot' posed and shot for distribution rather than a depiction the normal in that time and place.

[JarodParker]

I think you are making a little too much of this photo. Nobody in the background is taking any notice of this guy, they all have cameras pointing at the ground. And the guy is in sort of a movie poster ready for action pose.

I think it most likely that it is a 'hey look at me shot' posed and shot for distribution rather than a depiction the normal in that time and place.

More angles on the same a-hole. Pic1 Pic2It does seem he is the center of attention. You can even see the guy in the blue t-shirt pointing him out to others.

These people have been emboldened and now the situation is getting worse with Bundy developing a cult following complete with personal bodyguards. Maybe he'll grow his flock by marrying off his 50 grandchildren to the militia members. Link

"There are people out here who will sacrifice their lives and their fortunes and their sacred honor to defend them," said Jerry DeLemus, a camouflaged former U.S. Marine sergeant from New Hampshire who called himself the leader of a Bundy security force of some 40 people.

Bundy, the 67-year-old patriarch of a Mormon family with more than 50 grandchildren, seems to enjoy the attention. He met the media this week flanked by personal guards headed by a man who called himself Buddha Cavalier.

Bundy took to the stage fashioned from a flatbed trailer to tell reporters he wants sheriffs around the country to seize weapons from federal bureaucrats.

[TheCurmudgeon]

Two other links.

First, the executive order that the Bundy's are violating: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=36873

Section 1. Determination of Fees. The Secretaries of Agriculture and the Interior are directed to exercise their authority, to the extent permitted by law under the various statutes they administer, to establish fees for domestic livestock grazing on the public rangelands which annually equals the $1.23 base established by the 1966 Western Livestock Grazing Survey multiplied by the result of the Forage Value Index (computed annually from data supplied by the Statistical Reporting Service) added to the Combined Index (Beef Cattle Price Index minus the Prices Paid Index) and divided by 100; provided, that the annual increase or decrease in such fee for any given year shall be limited to not more than plus or minus 25 percent of the previous year's fee, and provided further, that the fee shall not be less than $1.35 per animal unit month.

The second is a National Review Article. http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-perry-pendley

The interesting thing is that, the National Review article has a picture of Bundy next to President Reagan and a little of Reagan's history when he was a governor supporting ranchers. However, it is President Reagan's executive order that Bundy is violating.

[TheCurmudgeon]

Not quite the same thing, but more on the "revoution" ...

“We are calling for [their] removal … as a start toward constitutional restoration,” said retired Army Col. Harry Riley, the leader of the group, Raw Story reported. “They have all abandoned the U.S. Constitution, are unworthy to be retained in a position that calls for servant status.”


The aim of the group, too, is to influence those politicos who aren’t targeted for ouster to “sponsor and pass very constitutionally crafted state legislation to dissolve the size, powers, scope and spending of the U.S. government by two-thirds,” the media outlet reported.

The group expects between 10 million and 30 million similarly thinking Americans to meet them in the capital on Friday for a rally that’s being billed as a sort of “Arab Spring” for Americans.

Meanwhile, the group is holding another event on the same day in Bunerkville, Nev., near cattle rancher Cliven Bundy’s property and in support of his stand-off with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing fees.

The Friday event was promoted by Tea Party Nation.

Col. Riley said he hopes the event will go forward peaceably, but that so far, peaceful protests haven’t brought citizens much luck. He also said that more than 1 million militia members have already mobilized for the event — and that projections of 10 million to attend aren’t pie in the sky.

“For more than five years, ‘we the people’ have been writing, calling, faxing Congress, the media, screaming in town halls, marching, rallying, demonstrating, petitioning, all to no avail,” he said, Raw Story reported. “Every branch of government looks at ‘we the people’ whom they have taken an oath to serve, as ‘pests,’ interfering with their political agenda, cramping their self-serving, greedy agendas. We have no faith in the ballot box any longer, as many believe this sacred secret box has been compromised.

[Dayuhan]

Not quite the same thing, but more on the "revoution" ...

Guess they actually got a few hundred, which says something about the difference between noise and substance.

[slapout9]

Save a Life, Kill A Cop



Just for historical note, the below flyers were floating around Dallas in November 1963. It is worth noting that appointing "Anti-Christian" judges is treason. I guess some things never change.


http://www.law.uga.edu/dwilkes_more/...blownaway.html

Curmudgy,
Things have been a lot worse. During the early 70's the Anti War radicals used to bomb and break into National Guard Armories. This resulted in the CQ's at all the barracks of the 82nd Airborne Division being armed with .45 calibre side arms.We also had to check the arms room every 30 minutes and note it in our logs. Then when I seperated service and went into LE the underground began there campaign of shooting police officers and bombing government buildings. This is all standard Communist Revolutionary Warfare doctrine.

[TheCurmudgeon]

Curmudgy,
Things have been a lot worse. During the early 70's the Anti War radicals used to bomb and break into National Guard Armories. This resulted in the CQ's at all the barracks of the 82nd Airborne Division being armed with .45 calibre side arms.We also had to check the arms room every 30 minutes and note it in our logs. Then when I seperated service and went into LE the underground began there campaign of shooting police officers and bombing government buildings. This is all standard Communist Revolutionary Warfare doctrine.

Slap,

I understand. As you have pointed out things have been worse in our past. What I am pointing out are the parallels between that time and today.

[AmericanPride]

Curmudgy,
Things have been a lot worse. During the early 70's the Anti War radicals used to bomb and break into National Guard Armories. This resulted in the CQ's at all the barracks of the 82nd Airborne Division being armed with .45 calibre side arms.We also had to check the arms room every 30 minutes and note it in our logs. Then when I seperated service and went into LE the underground began there campaign of shooting police officers and bombing government buildings. This is all standard Communist Revolutionary Warfare doctrine.

Yes, it has been a lot worse. In the post-Civil War era, the Ku Klux Klan, a powerful rural right-wing terrorist organization, killed hundreds (thousands?) of African-Americans who attempted to participate in the political process. They actively suppressed voting rights, access to education and the economy, and denied equal opportunity. They even ran elected officials out of their offices by gun point! The political influence of rural reactionary populism became so strong that, a hundred years later, FDR had to modify the Social Security program for the sole purpose of excluding as many African Americans as possible - otherwise, it wouldn't pass Congress. The federal government - not state and local governments, who actively and visibly opposed the policies - eventually intervened in order to ensure equal treatment for all citizens. And this was such a terrible event by a tyrannical federal government, you see, that many local municipalities closed their public school systems and set up segregation academies to avoid having their children attend schools with African-American children. Now that overt racism is no longer politically feasible, the descendents of this movement now resort to code words like "state's rights", "welfare queen", and so on.

So, you're right. It has been a lot worse. But it wasn't because of the communists, who never represented a credible threat to the United States or its citizens. And it has become better, but it wasn't because of state or local governments. America is changing and I suppose there are people out there who are stuck in the past.

[AmericanPride]

Save a Life, Kill A Cop



Just for historical note, the below flyers were floating around Dallas in November 1963. It is worth noting that appointing "Anti-Christian" judges is treason. I guess some things never change.


http://www.law.uga.edu/dwilkes_more/...blownaway.html

I like how the poster states "communist inspired racial riots". The ideological strand connected to today is so obvious. It reminds me of a quote by the People's Champion when asked why he wasn't going to Vietnam: "You my opposer when I want freedom. You my opposer when I want justice. You my opposer when I want equality. Want me to go somewhere and fight for you? You won't even stand up for me right here in America, for my rights and my religious beliefs. You won't even stand up for my right here at home."