Quote Originally Posted by carl View Post
The test of that then would be if Switzerland was invaded, would all the Swiss turn out to kill the invaders. Nobody has cared to test them out on that in a very long time. For practical purposes, they are peoples who are one nation. The important thing is, will they fight as one? They will.
Certainly the Swiss I've met have all remarked that military service is one of the national institutions that unites them and continuing reserve service was strongly supported. If you had not served it tended to be a brake on a number of career paths. IIRC they still have national service aka conscription.

Back to the Ukraine even if one momentarily disregards the Russian-Ukrainian aspect there are many factors that reduce national cohesion, individually, collectively and nationally. As some of the recent footage has shown the discipline and security of the Ukrainian security forces (police, national guard and military) is fragile to say the least.

That one army truck, with a load of weapons (RPGs being shown), moving along without an escort and into a roadblock says a lot about the army. Unless the load was sent for a planned delivery. That the police arrived and stood about apparently wasn't good either.