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    Putin and the media campaigners are now shifting gears in order to try to get some kind of conversation going with the West in order "to get back to normal" as their economy is suffering and their currency is still taking a major hit.

    One sees this theme now on multiple media outlets in a number of different but almost same wording.

    Notice how Russian uses the loose term anti constitutional---the Russians never have accepted that the elected Ukrainian Parliament once learning that their President had fled the Ukraine in a super majority to include even the Party of Regions which he was part of ---overwhelming voted to kick him out---sounds like democracy at work and is fully under Ukrainian law "constitutional" especially since the Parliament before the kick out vote changed the Ukrainian constitution back to the one from 2004 which was a Parliament focused Constitution.

    But since Putin and co have declared the government illegal, junta, Right Sector, neo nationalists and Nazi's it is hard to change infowar directions if one wants to start a dialogue on one's own terms.

    Interfax from today:
    10:04 Putin: West has to admit anti-constitutional coup in Ukraine

    By placing this infowar statement into play Russian is trying to grasp the straw of hey since the West had a coup so we were "legal" in taking the Crimea.

    See the West are the bad guys we the Russians are the good "legal" guys-all designed especially for internal consummation and the attempt to split the West leadership.

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    Here is the latest infowar shift---the Crimea and Ukraine are not about Russian nationalism---it is all about "economics" which has "nothing" to do with Russian nationalism.


    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/734820

    Will be interesting to see how the rest of the connected global media plays this new story line from Putin

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    Moderators, I don't understand why you closed the "Ukraine" thread. There is going on war that should be covered by this site. Am I wrong? I have to find now excuse to post this information here. SBU continues their infowar effort posting intercepted call between cossacks in Donetsk and in their leader in Russia. Leader coordinates cossacks activities in Ukraine and arranges border crossing for resupply, enforcements etc. He deals with kidnapped OSCE observers problem. Film makers have added also Putin's comments about cossacks organisation and their tasks in general.

    KYIV, June 4 /Ukrinform/. The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) has established a direct involvement of Russian Cossack structures to supply weapons to terrorist organizations operating in the east of Ukraine, as well as the kidnapping of OSCE monitors on May 29 this year, according to a video posted on the SBU website.
    Ataman of the “Almighty Don Host" Nikolai Kozitsyn says in the video that all his actions on the detention of the hostages he agrees with the Kremlin.
    "This is a command from the top. From afar, from afar ... Everything is agreed," the SBU press center quoted him as saying.
    http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/sbu...s_video_322410
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    Moderators, I don't understand why you closed the "Ukraine" thread. There is going on war that should be covered by this site. Am I wrong? I have to find now excuse to post this information here. SBU continues their infowar effort posting intercepted call between cossacks in Donetsk and in their leader in Russia. Leader coordinates cossacks activities in Ukraine and arranges border crossing for resupply, enforcements etc. He deals with kidnapped OSCE observers problem. Film makers have added also Putin's comments about cossacks organisation and their tasks in general.



    http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/sbu...s_video_322410
    kaur---moderators closed the thread because of my disputes with mirhond which if the moderators have noticed has not moved to another SWJ thread as he was anyway part of the infowar efforts by the Russians. Somehow they took offense at me calling mirhond a Russian fascist and apparently they did not understand just how the term Russian fascist is even defined in Russia nor how the Russian themselves use the term.

    Americans as a whole have problems with terms like fascists, nationalism, or imperialism.

    Why he picked SWJ is interesting but that the moderators even tolerated him is even more interesting to me.

    The video is critical--- as you know the Cossack was initially being seen by you and myself and yet mirhond tried to sidestep his beard photo being seen back in 2008.

    The war has shifted and you are right ---shifted now to a irregular guerrilla war with Russia flowing weapons and irregulars into the Ukraine daily.

    Russia prides itself in protecting it's borders but somehow cannot "see" KAMAZs painted in Russian military green in convoys of 10 or more?

    The video does in fact counter the Russian infowar statements being carried daily by Interfax and TASS and Putin in his French TV interview yesterday---he "claimed" no Russian military/security forces in the Ukraine---notice he did not say a word about Russian citizen "irregulars" carrying Russian passports with Russian exit border stamps in their passports.

    This is being reported in the last several hours ago out of the Ukraine---so much for Russian Interfax/TASS/Putin statements that they are not "assisting" the irregulars as one attack is coming from the Russian border crossing point itself.

    "The border crossing “Marinivka” is attacked from two sides. Fierce battle continues"



    This Russian infowar campaign is in direct support to their new UW strategy called New Generation Warfare and you are right one would think it is important enough to fully understand as we will be seeing more of it in the coming years.
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    The Ukraine thread was (most recently) closed for reasons other than what Outlaw indicates.
    "On the plains and mountains of the American West, the United States Army had once learned everything there was to learn about hit-and-run tactics and guerrilla warfare."
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    kaur--

    Russian inforwar bloggers are not only limited to say the Ukraine or here at SWJ.

    Some of us troll the underground dark sites for corporate security reasons and troll for sites selling stolen credit cads by the thousands.

    There is one US internet security type who has a great reputation for "lifting the vale" of these dark sites and often writes articles about them together with screen shots of what he finds.

    He gets "greetings from Russia" comments on specific articles written in the same style of poor English as we witnessed from mirhond.

    Then when other commenters who track his articles similar to SWJ come in with their somewhat direct comments he backs out of the discussion much as mirhond did---same technique, Russian in nature, poor English, attempted disruption of blog site.

    Sound familiar?

    Example:
    His user name below---

    dump me if you can Goodfellas

    June 4, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    violating a ridiculous number of McDonald’s trademarks . Zzz you so funny Brian , like a funny guy from Coming to America .They have golden archers but we have golden gates, they have Big Mac but we have Big Muc .

    i wonder how many laws did you violate Brian ?? i can name at list 10 right now . Do you want to hear them ??

    i give you heads up
    handling of stolen goods is one of them

    Many of the infowar comments are driven by paid Russian bloggers and there has been some comments that some of the Russian gangs are jumping in as money flows for this type of work.

    Just a side comment---some of these dark internet stolen card sites are extremely exclusive, with only a direct personal invite to log in and in Russian.
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    As the fighting it heavy in east Ukraine and more and more actual media reports of Russia citizens fighting in the Ukraine are coming out with photos and physical interviews this particular Interfax release went into play yesterday.

    It has been "mentioned" three previous times over the last five weeks, but did not take off in the global media so I think they are trying it again.

    Following the motto the US has sent private contractors to the Ukraine so it is OK for Russian citizens to be "helping" fellow Russians.

    Notice how it was lanced just prior to Putin arriving in France.

    http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=511636

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    Just a link to the BBC article titled Russian propaganda machine 'worse than Soviet Union' .

    Cultural historian and publisher Irina Prokhorova goes further - she calls it "Stalinist", reminiscent of the anti-Western hysteria which marked the grim repressive years of the late 1940s.

    And what worries the liberal intelligentsia is that the aggressive tone is being directed inwards as well.

    Ever since President Putin warned he would not tolerate a fifth column of national traitors in his historic speech on Crimea's annexation in March, Russia's beleaguered opposition has felt under siege.
    Many of the victims of this 'Stalinist' propaganda war are indeed ethnic Russian in Russia speaking Russian and many will still pay a heavy price for Putin's war. A good deal doesn't realize it so far, drunken by Putin's propaganda poision.

    The useful idiots and partly payed Putinfans in the West won't have to pay a similar price, thanks to Western law and democracy. An excellent program by the BBC does a fine job at exploring the history of the term 'useful idiot' and the idiots behind it.

    The phrase 'useful idiots', supposedly Lenin’s, refers to Westerners duped into saying good things about bad regimes.

    In political jargon it was used to describe Soviet sympathisers in Western countries and the attitude of the Soviet government towards them.

    Useful idiots, in a broader sense, refers to Western journalists, travellers and intellectuals who gave their blessing – often with evangelistic fervour – to tyrannies and tyrants, thereby convincing politicians and public that utopias rather than Belsens thrived.
    Keep in mind that some of the 'idiots' and others get of course handsomely payed by the Kremlin to spread it's propaganda like Alexander Rahr. He worked first for American institutions, perhaps the pay (and the honey) was better on the other side...
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    Novaya Gazeta shows couple fake news.

    http://translate.google.com/translat...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8

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    Putins Trolle by the German Sueddeutsche is propably one of the best researched articles on that aspect of Russian cyber operations. The details of the various modi operandi based partly on internal material are interesting if expected.

    Was wirkt wie das Werk eines der vielen Verwirrten, die taeglich zusammen viele Terabyte Mumpitz ins Internet absondern, ist in Wahrheit sorgfaeltig geplant, kalkuliert und strategisch platziert. Der Nutzer mit dem absichtlich irrefhrenden Namen "The American Dream" (Adresse: youtube.com/TheUSAmericanDream) wurde von russischen PR-Spezialisten der "Agentur zur Analyse des Internets" angelegt. Die Firma mit Sitz in Sankt Petersburg beschaeftigte zuletzt bis zu 600 Mitarbeiter. Ihre Hauptaufgabe: Meinungen im Internet im Sinne des Kreml zu manipulieren. Etwa eine Million Dollar lie sie sich das zuletzt kosten, pro Monat. Das belegen interne Dokumente und E-Mails leitender Mitarbeiter der Agentur, die eine Gruppe anonymer Informanten im Internet zugaenglich gemacht hat.
    The planning and analysis phases seem to be pretty business-like. Overall that line of media manipulation is easily outsourced and the keyboard soldiers are cheap, quickly trained and replaceable. If one considers the miniscule budget and the great manipulation return on that investment I expect that in the future we will see much more of that stuff even if major social networks and media harden themselves considerably.
    ... "We need officers capable of following systematically the path of logical argument to its conclusion, with disciplined intellect, strong in character and nerve to execute what the intellect dictates"

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    Russian Novaya Gazeta nr 1 guy said last week directly that this is new modi operandi for FSB. They catched some time ago 1 female journalist, who was sent to spy on them, because they are considered opposition newspaper. She told them a lot of interesting things. She was sent by by trolls' company security unit. Those units are in Russia manned by former security services guys.

    Interview in Russian http://tvrain.ru/articles/lobkov_dmi...lpake_-369529/

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    One must love the double tongued language Interfax and the Russian FM uses especially the word fascist.

    09:14 Moscow outraged by fascist provocations against Russian embassy in Kyiv

    There where no more that 300 individuals protesting the shoot down of an Ukrainian aircraft with a Russian MANPAD killing 49 so I guess protesting the killing of Ukrainian military personnel is now considered being "fascist".

    But somehow "Moscow" overlooks the Russian MANPAD as well as the three T64s, and one BM21 that had it "somehow" let through the FSB "secured" Russian/Ukrainian border.

    Assume "secured" as Interfax had released a formal statement attributed to Putin who gave guidance to the FSB and Russian Border Security Command to seal the border.

    What is equally impressive is the lack of push back by Western media to the fake and often misleading reporting as one would think it kind of gives bad press to them when they carry fake reporting---they do not seem to mind being apparently used.

    Yes we see on occasions an article by say the BBC or the German media but has anyone heard any comments in the open public by a leading western political type and or national leader ie say Merkel or Obama?
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    Monday, June 23, 2014

    Window on Eurasia: In Ukraine, Putin is Carrying Out ‘Biggest Information Special Op’ in Modern Times, Eidman Says
    After the Maidan, he continues, “the situation of Russian-speaking citizens” of Ukraine “did not change. “’The ‘uprising’ in the Donbas occurred not as a result of a deteriorating of the situation, but just the reverse, the situation became catastrophic as a result of this ‘uprising.’” People have done what they have done only because they were deceived and misled.

    They were “consciously led to a state of mass psychosis. The irrational fear and hatred of the Russian speakers to the new Ukrainian authorities was intentionally provoked with the help of a brainwashing campaign, the dissemination of panic rumors, and the work of Russian media and political technologists.”
    No one threatened Donetsk or Luhansk, least of all Kyiv, until the revolt forced the Ukrainian army to intervene. “The population [of the two oblasts] did not need a war” and it has not brought them anything but suffering. “But there are forces interested in provoking the conflict and using the population of these regions for their own selfish interests.”

    These include the Putin regime which has used the crisis to boost its domestic standing, “part of the eastern Ukrainian oligarchy and political elite” who lost their positions when Yanukovich fled, and “Russian nationalists, ‘imperialists,’ ‘Cossack,’ Orthodox clericals, national socialists who form the greater part of volunteers from Russia.”

    Not one of these three groups needs the residents of Donetsk or Luhansk except as tools for their own purposes, but they collectively and not the people of the two Ukrainian oblasts are fanning the fires of war. If they ceased to do so, the conflict would end. In the meantime, one can only hope that the people there and elsewhere will learn to “oppose Russian disinformation.”
    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.be/...-putin-is.html

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    Indeed, indeed.

    Ukrainian Church Faces Obscure Pro-Russia Revolt in Its Own Ranks

    LVIV, Ukraine — In a zealously nationalist region of Ukraine that clamors to join Europe and bubbles with suspicion toward Russia, Father Andriy, a preacher at Our Lady of Everlasting Succor church, was defiantly out of step with the mood of his flock.

    The European Union, he explained after a Sunday service, is an “empire of evil” committed to defying the word of God and to spreading homosexuality and pedophilia. As for antigovernment protesters who toppled President Viktor F. Yanukovych and are praised as heroes in this western corner of Ukraine, the priest sees only “Godless deviants” and “fools” who are “in the pay of hostile foreign powers.”

    Such views, espoused by a small but noisy group of fundamentalist Catholic clerics in western Ukraine, are commonplace among the clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church and its Ukrainian affiliate, whose Moscow-based patriarch is a firm ally of President Vladimir V. Putin.
    It was founded by the Czech national Dohnal accused of having served as a Soviet intelligence mole called 'Tonek' and can dispose of a surprising amount of money and wealth relative to it's tiny size.

    Obviously such news is an easy target for sarcasm, sadly after the Russian network of men and money in Europe has been increasingly revealed it is difficult to rule such things out.

    Such an investment by the Kremlin requires relative little capital and can cause considerable confusion and outsized influence.
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    Here is a link to an article by Radio Free Europe on how two of their videos were "redone" and "portrayed" in a different direction. Showing what they broadcast and then what the Russians broadcast.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/russian.../25430290.html

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    Unattributed and one could even go as far as saying plagiarism

    E.g.,

    According to unattributed US sources, Russia has massed up to 30,000 troops on Ukraine's eastern frontier - and the key thing is they are arrayed and equipped to go on to the offensive at very short notice.
    Note: lack of link as if I thought it up myself.
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    Putin, highlighting shameless liars, bitterly calls Goebbels a ‘talented man’
    Russian leader thanks international gathering of rabbis for communities’ fight against ‘Nazi revival’

    July 10, 2014
    A Kremlin transcript of Putin’s address at the meeting did not specify where he saw Nazism being revived.

    In the past, Putin has called the leaders of the revolution that toppled the regime of Ukrainian former president Viktor Yanukovych “Nazis” and “neo-Nazis,” and cited what he said was their anti-Semitism to justify Russia’s actions in Ukraine since March, when it annexed Crimea from its western neighbor.

    Many Ukrainian Jewish leaders and the country’s government have dismissed these assertions, saying that the claims about anti-Semitism are being made for political purposes.
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-c...g-with-rabbis/

    In Russian https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PN5rX5aHWr4

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    Who should organise this kind of organisation?

    http://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/D...ectives-11.pdf

    Russian media will get good financial boost.

    http://translate.google.be/translate...00%26bih%3D799
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    Outlaw mentioned this Ukraineatwar post in parallel thread.

    http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.be/2014...adams.html?m=1

    This connection was mentioned among others in February.

    http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.co...-anti.html?m=1

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