Ukraine (closed; covers till August 2014)

[mirhond]

1. Ukraine refused to accept a humanitarian aid from Russia

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ia-353865.html

taking into account the indefiniteness of its end addressee.

while Russian FM is completly clear about "its end adressee"

http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline...257D0400582233

Junta couldn't care less about civilians.

2. Small investigation of a newly created COIN unit "Shahtarsk", from one meticulous blogger.

http://a-dyukov.livejournal.com/1464877.html

Commander of the unit, Ruslan Abal'maz


is actually a petty criminal, who lost his illegal coal-mining business to DPR

resume: Kiev hires thugs to fight separatists, I believe that's because conscripts are reluctant to participate in that BS.

3. Outlaw, you claim you know Russian - then enjoy the "Book of the Violations of The Human Rights During The Civil Unrest in Ukraine", I believe your claim is outright lie, but, who knows..
http://igcp.eu/sites/default/files/m...ainei-net1.pdf

[OUTLAW 09]

1. Ukraine refused to accept a humanitarian aid from Russia

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ia-353865.html



while Russian FM is completly clear about "its end adressee"

http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline...257D0400582233

Junta couldn't care less about civilians.

2. Small investigation of a newly created COIN unit "Shahtarsk", from one meticulous blogger.

http://a-dyukov.livejournal.com/1464877.html

Commander of the unit, Ruslan Abal'maz


is actually a petty criminal, who lost his illegal coal-mining business to DPR

resume: Kiev hires thugs to fight separatists, I believe that's because conscripts are reluctant to participate in that BS.

3. Outlaw, you claim you know Russian - then enjoy the "Book of the Violations of The Human Rights During The Civil Unrest in Ukraine", I believe your claim is outright lie, but, who knows..
http://igcp.eu/sites/default/files/m...ainei-net1.pdf

mirhond---the released Book Violations of Human Rights is as truthful as the NKVD telling Stalin that Germany was not going to invade the Soviet Union.

Noticed the Russia Border Security Forces were shelling this eastern Ukrainian "freedom fighters" that were trying to reenter the "motherland".

Will let you search for the article as it is a waste of time to link you to it as you never answer anyway.

Our security forces report: Russian border control guards destroy terrorists during their flight from the territory of Ukraine to Russia. However, they allow them entry into Ukraine without problems.

Purely in the style of the NKVD, Putin-style. Terrorists must know, the entrance to Donbas costs one Ruble, the exit costs two. It is easy to enter, but not as easy to get out, the fire of the ATO forces is ahead, and behind is the fire of Russian “friends.” Welcome to hell.

[OUTLAW 09]

mirhond---did you recently notice that the Russian "freedom fighters" in eastern Ukraine seem to not care much about the Orthodox Church do they?

But then again "religious freedom" has not been a strong point in Russia since the NKVD days has it?

http://inforesist.org/en/russian-pri...odox-churches/

[OUTLAW 09]

mirhond---remember those T64RVs that you "claimed" were "Ukrainian"--- your comments turned out to be totally wrong as you alluded to them being Ukrainian but definitely not "Russian". Just "how" could they be "Russian"---lies from the West you alluded to.

Well it seems you were wrong again as it seems from the captured tank registration numbers it was in fact Russian Army equipment and it was never issued to the Ukrainian Army either in the Crimea and or Ukraine.

So come mirhond and you want me to "honestly" believe you that the Russian issued Book on Human Rights Violation is actually true? Come on mirhond get real or at least link to something that can be believed as nothing coming out of Russia has been true since they "annexed" the Crimea.

http://inforesist.org/en/defence-min...ovyansk-photo/

[OUTLAW 09]

mirhond---ever wonder where all the bodies of the killed "Russian war tourists" have been buried---since they were not being sent back to the "motherland".

http://inforesist.org/en/mod-general...lovyansk-lake/

[OUTLAW 09]

mirhond---and the West cannot "damage" Russia---so is the Ukraine "worth" the slow but steady destruction of the Russian economy?

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ns-353892.html

[kaur]

mirhond, another Russian in Donetsk Republic hierarchy as deputy of Russian PR guy Borodai. He paticipated during the two rounds of peace talks with OSCE, Kutchma, Medvetchuk etc. His name is Sergei Kavtaradze.

http://antimaydan.info/images/110654.jpg

This is his диссертация кандидата исторческих наук about Russian peacekeeping activities during ethnic conflicts in CIS territories from Lomonosov Moscow State University

http://www.dissercat.com/images/1page_diss/2318337.png

This is his study about manipulating with mind in Nazi Germany

http://www.socionauki.ru/journal/fil...i/2013_1/5.pdf

Seems to be right guy in right place at right time.

Who are there leading Donetsk people? FSB Strelkov as commander of armed wing, Russian PR guy Borodai as prime minister, Russian guy Kavtaradze as Borodai's deputy. I will not call all those cossacks and volunteers from Russia, but it seems that cadre and core are from Russia. Pluss hardware - MANPAD-s, tanks, MRL-s, RPG-s etc. ... and somebody calls this civil war.

mirhond, you posted book link. After little browser work with authors names I have to agree with Outlaw. If you find out who are Jon Hellevig and Janus Putkonen, you just can't belive the word in this book. I'm sorry.

[OUTLAW 09]

mirhond---since we now know that theT64 tanks inside the Ukraine are in fact Russian registered military equipment can you explain how these four tanks made it inside the Ukraine after Putin gave orders to "enhance border security" to attack a Ukrainian checkpoint which I thought your "freedom fighters" had issued a "truce"---seems they lie to.

The first checkpoint near Slovyansk was practically levelled by terrorists, reports the ТСН.

Gunmen attacked a Ukrainian checkpoint with 4 tanks and support of heavy mortar fire. Therefore the Ukrainian military had to retreat.

On Friday Ukrainians have retaken this checkpoint under their control and fortified it with tanks. The bodies of our dead soldiers had to be defused as the terrorists put mines under the bodies. The exact quantity of dead on the first checkpoint near Slovyansk is unknown as terrorists shot down two APCs and the guys simply burned alive


Seems that Putin was lying or the Russian military is lying but the Russian freedom fighters are what not lying?

Seems nothing can be trusted out of the mouths of Russia politicians and or freedom fighters these days.

But wait the new economic sanctions might tell us who is not lying.

[OUTLAW 09]

mirhond---this is why even your comments are not the truth.

Let us see ---the Russian Whitebook of HR is what based on your comments the "truth"?

06/29 10:06 Russian Foreign Ministry issues updated White Book on human rights abuse in Ukraine

BUT wait---when someone else releases a Human Right Violation Report on a country being 600% supported and armed by Russia then that is what "false"?

Not sure you should call the killing of 120,000 Syrians, over 2 million refugees, the use of barrel bombs, the use of chemical gas on civilians, the use of starvation as a weapons system equal to what---- the "discomfort" of proRussian Ukrainians now being robbed/killed by Russian "freedom fighters"---come on mirhond even you can see your own fallacies in your comments.

Oh---wait this Ukrainian thing started over what?--- someone's "language" and "a bunch of Nazi's" that no one seems to be able to find other than in Russian newspapers and in Russian minds?--come on mirhond get real.

19:59 Moscow raps UN's "biased" human rights document on Syria

Come on mirhond even you can see your "limitations" in what you are stating.

[mirhond]

mirhond, you posted book link. After little browser work with authors names I have to agree with Outlaw. If you find out who are Jon Hellevig and Janus Putkonen, you just can't belive the word in this book. I'm sorry.

A perfect example of Ad Hominem Fallacy.
Don't be sorry, its completely human to reject the truth if the truth is too frustrating.

[kaur]

mirhond, how you comment Kavtaradze episode?

About Djukov. Since he became human rights expert, he was historian. He was historian, who no serious historian took seriously. His profile was publishing thin books with KGB archive sources. What unites those Finns? They are friends of Russia's "useful idiot" Johan Bckman. Truth is not frustrating, truth is, like this Djukov case shows, that Russia's bench of talking heads is quite short and during new ideological war, the same old faces pop up. Like this case shows, people have to even change their profile. Big country, too few talents? mirhond, don't you get that Russia has lied so much, that your social capital is less than than zero. If this helps your self-esteem, then fine. If your weekly task is drop here 1 story made by information officers, the I understand you also. Life in Moscow is not cheap. Just don't think that you can sell those stories here easily.

[OUTLAW 09]

A perfect example of Ad Hominem Fallacy.
Don't be sorry, its completely human to reject the truth if the truth is too frustrating.

mirhond--finally happy to see that you fully agree that for Putin, Russia and yourself the "old" truth that the Crimea was Russian and eastern Ukraine as well as that "old" truth that borders are strictly to enlcose one's language is in fact a fantasy as you have admitted here a number of times recently.

Secondly, based on your own words those "Russian" T64Rvs were what an Ad Hominem Fallacy as it appears in your original own words that they were Ukrainian now seems as well what a fantasy?

Would you not agree?

See mirhond when you work for multiple bosses one forgets what one writes as you seem to never go back and reread what you have written---a bad habit or as you correctly stated an Ad Hominem Fallacy or maybe just fantasy on your part.

Trying to speak/write the truth is hard when the entire Russian leadership and the FSB speaks in tones other than the truth---right mirhond.

[OUTLAW 09]

A perfect example of Ad Hominem Fallacy.
Don't be sorry, its completely human to reject the truth if the truth is too frustrating.

Evidently mirhond you have never in your life spoken "truth" to power have you? If you ever did you would probably have been fired correct?

[mirhond]

mirhond, how you comment Kavtaradze episode?

Just don't think that you can sell those stories here easily.

1. What is Kavtaradze epizode, in the first place?

2. You consider SWJ as a market to sell stuff? I, personally, think it's a plase to learn new things and update one's beliefs.

[OUTLAW 09]

1. What is Kavtaradze epizode, in the first place?

2. You consider SWJ as a market to sell stuff? I, personally, think it's a plase to learn new things and update one's beliefs.

mirhond---the only problem with your comments is 1) you never respond to direct comments or questions placed to you, 2) you throw out your photos and links and again they say nothing but take up computer space, 3) your opinions are really not your own but someone else's and 4) you actually work for someone so how can your comments be your own comments---come on mirhond really.....?

so mirhond---exactly what are the new things you learned and what did you learn that you could update your beliefs with ---outside of the single set of facts---that anything being said inside Russian and from Russians leaders is not quite the truth---but then why would you admit that what they say are false sine you work for them?

You should actually instead of learning and updating your beliefs improve your written English or at least use SpellChecker.

I do not expect any answer from you since you yourself stated that truth is a hard thing for you. But again truth to power is not your thing is it?

[OUTLAW 09]

mirhond---here is something for you to learn and to update your beliefs---remember you claimed here in SWJ that the T64 tanks were "purchased" from a corrupt Ukrainian Technical SGT----will be happy to quote you directly.

Well you did not respond to my comment that the one of the tanks was captured and it was registered to a Russian military unit and had never been issued to the Ukraine.

Now here is a photo from the eastern Ukraine depicting a commercial long haul truck carrying more tanks into the eastern Ukraine.

So is Putin lying when he stated there are now "enhanced border security measures in place" or are there a really large number of "corrupt" Russian Federal Border Security officers?-----and the article is in Russian for you to read easier as you have a hard time with your English.

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/06/30/7030505/

[kaur]

Outlaw, maybe thouse trailer guys have just wrong postal code? Maybe they found those tanks in the forest, found out in internet that Ukraine has similar, thought that they should do good favor and deliver things to owner, but Donbas people hijacked the vehicles. There was lost tanks case some time ago and things may happen again

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...in-forest.html

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NSLWydzdZJE

[OUTLAW 09]

Outlaw, maybe thouse trailer guys have just wrong postal code? Maybe they found those tanks in the forest, found out in internet that Ukraine has similar, thought that they should do good favor and deliver things to owner, but Donbas people hijacked the vehicles. There was lost tanks case some time ago and things may happen again

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...in-forest.html

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NSLWydzdZJE

kaur---or just "maybe" a friendly, kindly, older maybe 70 years old and a former Waffen SS member Russian Border Security officer who needed money for his daughters "birthday" who was in the US studying at Harvard who was the driver.

But then again maybe he needed the money for the new Telsa he "purchased" recently in Berlin while "clubbing" there one Saturday night when he was suppose to be at "work" on one of the Ukrainian border crossings---but then mirhond would know who he was.

[AmericanPride]

The insurgency in eastern Ukraine will be the 11th conflict involving the Russian Federation since its formation in 1991. Notably, only one of these conflicts ended in clear defeat for Moscow (the First Chechen War) while one ended in a mediated settlement and another is still on going. That means seven (7) confirmed and two (2) possible victories for Russia out of 11 conflicts - not a bad track record. All of the conflicts involve territory to some extent and all involved a former Soviet republic or a political sub-unit. If using the accepted but admittedly arbitrary methodology of 1,000+ battle related military deaths in a year constituting a 'war', the Ukraine crisis has some ways to go.

Since 1991, the Russian Federation has not lost a single external conflict. Part of that is the deliberate decision to pursue limited, achieveable aims (centered on territory) and securing local military superiority against isolated adversaries (e.g. Georgia and Ukraine).

Other than all the issues brought up in the previous 80 pages, the major issue is that Russia is for the time being on the ascendent relative to the US, even if wide differences still exist in absolute economic capacity and absolute military capability. A string of local successes has given the Putin administration confidence and public legitimacy, moving Russia firmly past the chaos of the Yeltsin years. But the divergence between Russia's perception of its desired status and its ascribed status also signals that Moscow will continue to be assertive in the future, especially in the application of armed force to close that gap in its international position.

What does that mean for a Washington mired in bitter political infighting, degrading military capacity, and a self-imposed fiscal crisis?

[Firn]

@AP: While it is an interesting post, I'm not quite sure it belongs into this thread, as it is pretty much about Russia and the US-specific questions.

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It seems that today the Ukrainian armed forces have started a new offensive after the not so peacefule Ukrainian ceasefire finished. We will see how that goes, it is of course rather difficult to get a precise understanding through the usual fog of war. While there has been some military progress, some of the most densly populated areas of the country with millions of people are living in areas are out of state's control.