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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Appears that even the Russian FM got embarrassed by the Duma demands.

    https://meduza.io/en/lion/2015/07/01...s-independence

    Russian officials complain about ‘ludicrous’ parliamentary inquiries into Baltic states’ independence
     15:37, 1 July 2015 TASS
    Maybe they were afraid that the West would demand that they investigate how the Soviets annexed the Baltics in 1940??

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    News
    The Russian onslaught continues.
    1 Ukrainian trooper KIA
    10 WIA
    in the last 24 hours.

    Here in Bilorichensky, Luhansk oblast, terrorists put weapons, material & armored vehicles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC376AG1N5o … pic.twitter.com/Fg4DA0oOll

    VIDEO #Ukraine SBU arrest #Putin DNR-Whatever "couriers" with US 55K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwK5hrwY7Qg … pic.twitter.com/ELcHklQyNq

    SBU detains 700 tons of food being smuggled by rail 2 #Russia's DNR in #Ukraine. It was found hidden under coal slag
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlfiJfXS3DQ

    Ukraine's Parliament restricts use of mobile devices in ATO zone due to Russian GRU #SIGINT http://www.unn.com.ua/ru/news/147818...niv-v-zoni-ato … pic.twitter.com/oBtE4jGXNt

    Russia makes every effort to block UN peacekeeping mission deployment in Ukraine - deputy foreign minister http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...er-392428.html

    Footage
    Interview with muslim fighter for "Novorossiya" in #Luhansk.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKDxLpGqAek
    pic.twitter.com/B0RtUDWwLg

    @DajeyPetros is right: there are bigger bases. Komsomolske to Telmanove is one BIG multinodal Russian army base. pic.twitter.com/yGHJ8TABID

    @DajeyPetros is right, for the moment: Sontseve FOB is being developed and looks set up to receive influx of Russian troops and armour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russian mercenaries claim a one sided "demilitarized zone" --basically a rehash of what Russia has been wanting--the only catch is that they state their mercenaries are not to shell the town--BUT they still are shelling and the SECOND BUT is that the OSCE is to take over control which the Ukraine has not approved nor does the OSCE have any control/patrolling abilities as they are strictly a monitoring group.

    Russia then wants as based on their first attempts at this demilitarization for the Ukrainian troops to pull back to Mariupol and they will then not pull back--thus if the Ukraine accepts this then if Russian troops advance they can be in Mariupol with one hour before the UA could react thus taking the town of Mariupol relatively easily.

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/201507...#ixzz3eeLCVqUA

    Donetsk People's Republic Announces Demilitarized Zone in Shirokino

    11:50 01.07.2015(updated 12:14 01.07.2015) Get short URL

    1133490



    The core question is that after firing literally thousands of shells into the seaside town and launching countless ground attacks WHY do they now want a "demilitarized zone"?
    Appears that Russian mercenaries were again lying ----

    Azov Regiment Reports Battle Under Way In Shirokino.

    Stepan Bayda, a spokesman for the Azov regiment, has told Ukraine's 112 television channel that there is a battle under way in Shirokino today.

    At 15:24 (12:24 GMT) Bayda said (translated by The Interpreter):

    "The battle is still under way now. It's all progressing according to the standard script. Artillery is at work, cannons, mortars and rockets. At the moment there is only one wounded Ukrainian soldier. There are still civilians there, no-one has taken them out."

    While Bayda says some remain, the OSCE reported on June 29 that all civilians had left the village.
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    Looks like even Is is getting gun shy of the ability of social media via open source analysis to geo locate them.

    2015 is weird. Pro-ISIS account telling others to not include landmarks in photos due to @bellingcat geolocating them pic.twitter.com/fdcIBTPBNJ

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    Reference Moldavia—Transnisteria---

    Russia considers giving passports to residents of Transdniestria
    http://uatoday.tv/news/russia-consid...ia-448584.html … pic.twitter.com/lns9ysVsBg

    Right now Russia has repeatedly refused to withdraw their "so called peacekeeping troops per OSCE demands" and by passing out Russian passports then they have a clear right under the Putin Doctrine to "protect Russian citizens".
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    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/3...lly-dangerous/

    Putin’s peace offensive on Ukraine means situation is ‘really dangerous’

    Vladimir Putin’s “peace offensive,” marked by his call to US President Barack Obama, means that the situation is becoming “really dangerous,” Andrey Piontkovsky says, because the Kremlin leader has not changed his goal of destroying Ukraine as a state but only the means he is prepared to use to get there.

    And those means, including his oft-repeated commitment to maintaining the territorial integrity of Ukraine “minus Crimea of course,” include the insertion of a cancerous tumor within the boundaries of that country and the election of pro-Russian candidates to the Verkhovna Rada, may be even more dangerous than a direct military attack.

    That is because, the Russian analyst says, many in Ukraine and even more in the West are tired of the conflict and will be likely to drop their guard against such tactics, believing that they constitute a Ukrainian victory and a Russian defeat rather than simply another change in how Putin is seeking to get what he wants.

    “A year ago,” Piontkovsky says, “Putin seriously considered the ‘Novorossiya’ project: the annexation of 10 or 12 Ukrainian regions. But the project failed” because it wasn’t supported by Russian-speakers in Ukraine. Despite Putin’s expectations, they “turned out to be patriots of the Ukrainian state.”

    Now that the West has made it clear that it will react to any massive use of force, “for the overwhelming majority of the Russian establishment, military escalation is excluded because they understand that the price, including for them personally would be very large,” and they do not want to pay it.

    As far as Putin himself is concerned, he “is forced to take this attitude into consideration but it is impossible to exclude insane actions on his part” because as Chancellor Merkel said, “he lives in another reality.” But for the timing being, the Kremlin has changed its strategy but not its goal.

    Putin’s strategy now consists of supporting nominally the territorial integrity of Ukraine but using “his own interpretation of the Minsk agreements,” an interpretation in which he will never withdraw Russian forces even as he continues to deny that they are within the borders of Ukraine.

    According to Piontkovsky, the Kremlin leader is seeking to impose his interpretation of the Minsk accords on Ukraine by means of a diplomatic offensive. He has managed to get some in Germany and France to go along, but Ukraine has rejected the pressure they have put on Kyiv to agree. And so too has the United States.

    But Putin hasn’t given up on Barack Obama and is trying to win him over with the old refrain that “without Moscow, it is impossible to resolve any world problems like nuclear proliferation, Syria, ISIS.”

    Translated into real language, Putin is saying “allow us to quietly rape Ukraine and we will take a constructive position” on other issues. So far he has failed in Washington.


    Putin is also cleverly using the latest round of terrorist attacks, Piontkovsky observes. “These terrorist acts always work to the benefit of Kremlin propaganda… after each major one, all the Putin agents in the West begin to spread the word: ‘Forget about this Ukraine. For us, the struggle with Islamic terrorism is much more important, and without Moscow’s support we will not be able to do anything.’”

    The timing of this peace offensive corresponds to the seizure of Russian assets in the West and the Dutch tribunal on the shooting down of the Malaysian aircraft, Piontkovsky continues. These things worry many in the Russian elite; “they want to somehow stop the wave of sanctions” and so the Kremlin has launched a peace offensive.

    And the leaking of the faked Russian military plans for an attack on Ukraine are “part of ‘the peace offensive’ of the Kremlin,” its way of reminding everyone that unless the West and Ukraine cave, there are those in Russia who favor a more muscular set of actions and consequently those offering peace should be supported.

    “A rat driven into a corner is capable of an act of desperation,” and so too is Putin, the Russian analyst says. On the one hand, those around him are worried about their self-preservation and ever less attracted to Putin’s vision. But on the other, Putin may act despite what others think.

    This situation can’t last for long: any attack would have to begin soon to take advantage of the weather; and consequently, Piontkovsky argues, Putin will have to make “a certain political and existential choice” about what they are going to do very soon, certainly in the course of this summer.

    While Putin and the war party could come out on top, Piontkovsky concludes, the chances of that are no more than ten to fifteen percent. And that is yet another reason for Ukraine and the West to take a tough line and to make clear to Putin how much he and Russia have to lose by making the wrong choices.

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    Had noticed that the number of shellings and ground attacks had fallen today for some strange reason-virtually none to limited field reporting--this confirms this observation.

    From a high of over 360 in the last four days to 20 today--either the mercenaries have run out of munition or more is afoot and yet to come.

    Virtually no ground attacks have been reported and even Spetsnaz is unusually quiet.

    ATO: Intensity of attacks today decreased. 20 times militants shelled UKR pos. Most tense - Donetsk & Mariupol areas
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...84&__tn__=%2As

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    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/3...-sokolov-says/

    Moscow’s nullification of 1954 transfer of Crimea to Ukraine a dangerous precedent, Sokolov says

    2015/06/30 • Analysis & Opinion, Russia

    The declaration by the Russian Prosecutor General that the transfer of Crimea from the RSFSR to Ukraine in 1954 was unconstitutional has no standing in international law not only because any such decision is the province of the Constitutional Court but also because it concerns the actions of a state, the USSR, that no longer exists.

    The 19 February 1954 decree to transfer the Crimean Oblast from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian SSR by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union. (Image: Wikipedia)

    But that does not mean that it isn’t dangerous, according to historian Boris Sokolov, because at least in the Russian capital today and among “useful idiots” in the West it creates a dangerous precedent that Vladimir Putin might use to destabilize the entire post-Soviet space as well as adjoining territories.

    Some parts of the Prosecutor General’s “decision” are simply laughable, as for example its claim that “even after the transfer of Crimea, “Sevastopol retained the status of a city of all-Union subordination” is simply not true, Sokolov says, as anyone can learn by consulting the Great Soviet Encyclopedia.

    But what is most disturbing, Sokolov says, is that republic borders were changed frequently during Soviet times. (For a listing and discussion of the most important of these, see Paul Goble, “Can Republic Borders Be Changed?” RFE/RL Report on the USSR, 28 September 1990.)

    The Ukrainian SSR and the RSFSR exchanged territory several times in addition to the Crimean transfer. If the Russian procurator general’s ruling were recognized as legitimate, that would raise questions about all the others because “the decision” is cast in general terms rather than limited to the specific case.

    “In exactly the same way,” Sokolov continues, “one would have to recognize as illegal practically all the changes of the territories of the Soviet Union republics carried out in Soviet times” because in almost all cases they were decided upon and implemented in the same way as the 1954 transfer of Crimea from the RSFSR to Ukraine.

    But it could have even broader implications. If Putin required it, Sokolov suggests, the Prosecutor General would likely declare the 1867 sale of Alaska to the United States illegal as well as the 1954 accord in which Iran agreed to give up claims to a portion of Turkmenistan in perpetuity.

    Indeed, the Moscow historian says, “the application of the principles used by the Prosecutor General of Russia in the decision on Crimea to other legal acts connected with the change of borders among the Union republics could lead to real geographic chaos on the post-Soviet space.”

    Now that a deputy from the ruling United Russia party has appealed to the Prosecutor General for a ruling on the recognition of Baltic independence by the State Council of the USSR in 1991, things could get truly dangerous, Sokolov says. “If it is needed, the Prosecutor General at a necessary moment will declare the State Council an illegitimate organ and that means the recognition of the independence of the Baltic states would be considered illegal.”

    Should that happen, “the Kremlin would obtain a pretext ‘to meet the desires of the Russian language population and begin a hybrid war against Latvia or Estonia,” Sokolov points out.

    Such declarations are mostly for internal consumption; “however, they are addressed also to ‘useful idiots’ in the West who will affirm that since the Soviet Union was dissolved in a not completely legal fashion, Putin’s policy has its reasons.” They could become the basis “for new Russian aggression not only against Ukraine but also against other post-Soviet states.”

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    One of the latest pictures of the Russian army unit near #Telmanove.
    (23.6.2015)
    Name of the village in English?!
    pic.twitter.com/HAExYZsmfL

    Last needed confirmation.
    All those pictures in the album ARE from the #RF army base south of #Sontseve.

    pic.twitter.com/faKmlFxzWX

    Is this GWP's Rover 75 at the alleged #Russia|n military base filmed by a #Ukraine army drone nr #Sonsteve on June 4? pic.twitter.com/CE9UtQdFqJ

    The Russo-Ukrainian war continues, hidden inside Kiev's antiterror operation, masquerading as a Europe-approved ceasefire buried in the news

    BreakingFootage
    Russian forces shell entire #Shyrokyne.
    Spread is extraordinary.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhfBB_F6wrw
    pic.twitter.com/jMaV07QkLw

    Factories trolls,accounts-spectrums &5methods:#Russia's #war in #internet:http://bit.ly/1T6zsrB pic.twitter.com/gG2sQOIrH0

    VIDEO: Pisky - Results of Russian terrorist shelling
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8-Os5s7ddA&sns=tw … pic.twitter.com/hiG5J7wFQo

    Who are the volunteer units fighting for Kiev against the separatists in eastern Ukraine? We profiled them all. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/07...d-big-business

    Russian Fighters Driving Armor Lost on Their Way into Donetsk
    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...ian-base/#8982 … pic.twitter.com/F1r7PhMWnm

    Another #propaganda fail on @RT_com! "Protesters"use pics of #Chechnya destroyed by #Russia to show that "US is evil" pic.twitter.com/3gG4uIRGzR

    VIDEO #Putin`s DNR-Whatever "Special Forces" undergoing training in urban combat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDqXc17hJ24 … pic.twitter.com/VEG8XyAlRn

    Attacks everyday. Militants used 120 mm and 122 mm shells, also reports of incendiary ammo http://liveuamap.com pic.twitter.com/h4Fvn4X1by
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    Reference the open source analysis done by bellingcat---he is releasing four more distinct reports on the shot down of MH17 and Russia is not going to like it.


    That's the first of four new #MH17 reports we're releasing this month, starting small.

    Tracking the Vehicle that Transported the MH17 Buk via @bellingcat https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-a...30/low-loader/ … pic.twitter.com/IyRdfQ7qD2

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    VIDEO 28/06/15 #Russia(n) forces #Pisky fired White Phosphorus shells at #Ukraine troops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI4NYnMPQ1U … pic.twitter.com/e0bsZCDDbD

    NOT white (or any other kind) phosphorous. It's thermite (probably magnesium-based) anti-missile chaff (probably mortar fired).

    It's used to decoy various kinds of SAM and AAM munitions - confuses heat-seeking or IR sensors.

    Propaganda messages on #Russia|n #TV:Results of monitoring:http://proqwerty.tilda.ws/russianpropaganda … pic.twitter.com/2sQx9p7IMQ

    Perhaps but this is definitely not Thermite

    This one is rather curious https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=42&v=gGBbU9EhOXA

    BREAKING VIDEO #Putin forces firing possible WHITE PHOSPHORUS at #Ukraine troops #Shyrokyne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vRCzZltEcI … pic.twitter.com/LjgsbdsuFE

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    VIDEO #Ukraine Special Forces in training

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kJzq332w_4 … pic.twitter.com/P9jjUjZj9N

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    Looks like Russia is taking a new tact in the eastern Ukraine--we see now the Russian mercenaries claiming their are going to hold an election in accordance with Minsk 2--BUT they fail to indicate that that election must be conducted using Ukrainian election law, using Ukrainian residence election lists and is to be fair and equal under auspices of the OSCE and international observers with the Ukraine as part of that observation team.

    Looks like they are headed to what was a single tweet weeks ago that one of the Russian humanitarian aid trucks was carrying ballots for an "referendum".

    Once they hold their "so called election under Minsk" then they will ask Russia to be annexed into the RF.

    Zakharchenko announces elections in DNR on October 18 *in line w Minsk*- v. @dmitry_gordon

    Blaming the Ukraine for not having implemented Minsk 2 even though they have held largely to Minsk and Russia and her mercenaries have not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Appears that Russian mercenaries were again lying ----

    Azov Regiment Reports Battle Under Way In Shirokino.

    Stepan Bayda, a spokesman for the Azov regiment, has told Ukraine's 112 television channel that there is a battle under way in Shirokino today.

    At 15:24 (12:24 GMT) Bayda said (translated by The Interpreter):

    "The battle is still under way now. It's all progressing according to the standard script. Artillery is at work, cannons, mortars and rockets. At the moment there is only one wounded Ukrainian soldier. There are still civilians there, no-one has taken them out."

    While Bayda says some remain, the OSCE reported on June 29 that all civilians had left the village.
    Seems the claims by the Russian mercenaries that they were declaring a one sided demilitarization of Shirokino was a blatant lie.
    News
    After midnight, Russian 122 and 152 mm artillery hit #Shyrokyne & #Berdyanske at the #Azov Sea coast.
    #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/YY11PIGEin

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    #Map
    At the northern #Luhansk front, #Novotoshkivske, #Krymske, #Zolote & #StanytsiaLuhanska were attacked overnight. pic.twitter.com/W4TCpkYe4T


    And the ground fighting and shellings were just a small lull but not as high as previously--only in the 50s range yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    #Map
    At the northern #Luhansk front, #Novotoshkivske, #Krymske, #Zolote & #StanytsiaLuhanska were attacked overnight. pic.twitter.com/W4TCpkYe4T


    And the ground fighting and shellings were just a small lull but not as high as previously--only in the 50s range yesterday down from the 80-90s ranges.
    Jul01 20:01 #Horlivka Gagarina mine @xy_gorlov4an And AA-guns

    19:56 #Horlivka @mihailovith It starts with AA-fire in the west

    19:58 Gagarina mine @xy_gorlov4an Shooting

    Jul01 19:15 #Starohnativka @Staroignatievca Anew here [shelling started over]

    Jul01 #Starohnativka @Staroignatievca

    18:45 Skirmish in progress, mortars or tanks
    19:03 They had whack of firing [=ceased]

    Jul01 #Starohnativka @Staroignatievca

    18:21 Shelling, smoke in #Stara_Laspa or #Bilokamyanka direction

    Last night militants more than 30 times attacked UKR positions. 54 times for the whole of yesterday - ATO https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...88&__tn__=%2As

    20:05 @sau152mm Mortaring for 5min already."nightly show"

    07:07 #Donetsk @DoneckiiPatriot Yesterday there were many people in uniform. "Dirty, w/tattoos & eyes glazed over. Look not like locals"

    Fighting around #Donetsk airport continues with increased intensity- #OSCE http://uatoday.tv/politics/fighting-...ce-448668.html … pic.twitter.com/8g9YvbSWtO

    Jul01 #Horlivka, electric substation on fire pic.twitter.com/Zl01o1wGYO

    23:46 #Shyrokyne @sex_Dombas Shyrokyne is shelled hard

    00:00 #Mariupol @ukrmarik I heard how they [heavily] hit
    00:01 pause

    News
    There was another suspected terror attack in #Odessa tonight.
    Restaurant entrance blown up.#Ukraine
    pix via MIA pic.twitter.com/VFplNTRgYD

    Confirmation: Owner were in regular contact with / supporting volunteers, fighting in the east.
    So #proRussian #terror attack.

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    Russia claims both to be Jewish friendly and that they protect the Jewish community vs the Ukrainian Nazi's who constantly attack them.

    Appears to be just another propaganda lie.

    2 members of #Ukraine's #Jewish community tortured by pro-Russian militants flee occupied #Donbas for #Israel http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Two...=socialnetwork

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    Russian Special Force Operations During Heavy Clashes With Militants In ... https://youtu.be/XKV_mfTsW_A через

    In Dagestan.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 07-02-2015 at 06:51 AM.

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    This Russia PR can be interpreted in only one way--Russia is setting the stage for openly calling Minsk 2 dead and then fighting and trying to get a new Minsk 3 which is more favorable to him and his mercenaries than the now Minsk 2.

    Initially everyone assumed the Minsk 2 had far more problems for Ukraine but the Ukraine has smartly instituted exactly what the agreement calls for--the agreement did not state just how things should be done--just they had to be done and now Russia is complaining it is not the Bosnia solution they were looking for.

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/805457

    Kiev needs reading again text of Minsk Accords — Putin’s spokesman

    Russia
    July 02, 12:57 UTC+3

    "Moscow as a guarantor of the Minsk Accords has repeatedly expressed its concern at different levels regarding Kiev’s failure to implement these agreements," Russian presidential spokesman said

    MOSCOW, July 2. /TASS/. Moscow calls on the Kiev authorities to carefully re-read the text of the Minsk Accords as of February 12 on the settlement of the ongoing Ukrainian conflict, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Thursday.

    "Moscow as a guarantor of the Minsk Accords has repeatedly expressed its concern at different levels regarding Kiev’s failure to implement these agreements," Peskov told a news conference.

    President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman added that "there is no need in any interpretations whatsoever, but there is an urgent need to re-read what have been signed, in particular the text of the Minsk agreements."

    "It would lead to the conclusion that Kiev, unfortunately, is not implementing them," Peskov said.

    Speaking about the recently approved Ukrainian constitutional amendments of the decentralization of power in the country, Peskov said "there were still no contacts at all between Kiev and representatives of Donbas."

    "No doubt that approval of such bills without the consideration of the Donbas representatives’ opinion can be hardly staying in line with the implementation of the Minsk Accords," he said.

    Under point 11 of the package of measures on implementing the Minsk agreements, the reform that includes the entry into force of a new constitution should be carried out by late 2015.

    A constitutional commission approved a basic text of amendments to Ukraine’s key law on decentralization on June 26. Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko said that "the Donbas representatives participated in devising these amendments."

    However, the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk republics, which comprise Donbas area in the southeast of the country, later said their representatives were not delegated to participate in the work of Kiev’s constitutional commission.
    As the spokesperson for Putin stated here--Russia ia apparently a "guarantor" of the Minsk 2 agreement--NOW let's see what they signed up for as "guarantor" AND HAVE not been in compliance with--does one well to review the actual agreement as it seems Russia has not read what they signed themselves.


    12:11PM GMT 12 Feb 2015

    • Immediate and full ceasefire in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine and its strict fulfilment as of 00.00 midnight (Kiev time) on Feb. 15, 2015.


    • Pull-out of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distance with the aim of creation of a security zone on minimum 50 kilometres apart for artillery of 100mm calibre or more, and a security zone of 70km for MLRS and 140 kilometres for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch and tactical missile systems Tochka U.


    – for Ukrainian troops, from actual line of contact;


    – for armed formations of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine, from the contact line in accordance with the Minsk memorandum as of Sept. 19, 2014

    • The pullout of the above mentioned heavy weapons has to start no later than the second day after the ceasefire and finish within 14 days.

    • This process will be assisted by OSCE with the support of the Trilateral Contact Group.

    • Effective monitoring and verification of ceasefire regime and pullout of heavy weapons by OSCE will be provided from the first day of pullout, using all necessary technical means such as satellites, drones, radio-location systems etc.

    • On the first day after the pullout a dialogue is to start on modalities of conducting local elections in accordance with the Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine “On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts,” and also about the future of these districts based on the above mentioned law.

    • Without delays, but no later than 30 days from the date of signing of this document, a resolution has to be approved by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, indicating the territory which falls under the special regime in accordance with the law “On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts,” based in the line set up by the Minsk Memorandum as of Sept. 19, 2014.

    • Provide pardon and amnesty by way of enacting a law that forbids persecution and punishment of persons in relation to events that took place in particular departments of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine.

    • Provide release and exchange of all hostages and illegally held persons, based on the principle of “all for all”. This process has to end – at the latest – on the fifth day after the pullout (of weapons).

    • Provide safe access, delivery, storage and distribution of humanitarian aid to the needy, based on an international mechanism.

    • Define the modalities of a full restoration of social and economic connections, including social transfers, such as payments of pensions and other payments (income and revenue, timely payment of communal bills, restoration of tax payments within the framework of Ukrainian legal field)

    • With this aim, Ukraine will restore management over the segment of its banking system in the districts affected by the conflict, and possibly, an international mechanism will be established to ease such transactions.

    • Restore full control over the state border by Ukrainian government in the whole conflict zone, which has to start on the first day after the local election and end after the full political regulation (local elections in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts based on the law of Ukraine and Constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, on the condition of fulfilment of Point 11 – in consultations and in agreement with representatives of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.

    • Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups.

    • Constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new Constitution to come into effect by the end of 2015, the key element of which is decentralisation (taking into account peculiarities of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, agreed with representatives of these districts), and also approval of permanent legislation on special status of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts in accordance with the measures spelt out in the footnotes, by the end of 2015.
    The agreement was written in such a way that it is impossible to state what exactly the implementation should be and in what order---that was to be negotiated at a later date--BUT Russia is attempting to "define" or "demand" what they feel the Ukrainians should be doing. BUT if we take the standard concept of 1 being the priority and 11 being at the bottom THEN point 11 of the agreement being implemented BEFORE a valid and true ceasefire point 1 does not make sense.
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    This Russia PR can be interpreted in only one way--Russia is setting the stage for openly calling Minsk 2 dead and then fighting and trying to get a new Minsk 3 which is more favorable to him and his mercenaries than the now Minsk 2.

    Initially everyone assumed the Minsk 2 had far more problems for Ukraine but the Ukraine has smartly instituted exactly what the agreement calls for--the agreement did not state just how things should be done--just they had to be done and now Russia is complaining it is not the Bosnia solution they were looking for.

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/805457

    Kiev needs reading again text of Minsk Accords — Putin’s spokesman

    Russia
    July 02, 12:57 UTC+3

    "Moscow as a guarantor of the Minsk Accords has repeatedly expressed its concern at different levels regarding Kiev’s failure to implement these agreements," Russian presidential spokesman said
    If we look at the Minsk 2 agreement that Russia keeps harping on--one needs to point out that long before one gets to point 11 Russia references ---points 1-6 must be first implemented and that calls for an immediate ceasefire and the complete pullback of all heavy weapons and an immediate exchange of all POWs--none of which has been implemented by Putin and or his mercenaries.

    So if anyone is in complete and total non compliance it is Russia not the Ukraine.

    BTW--Russia did not do as a full nation stated put the signature of the Russian FM on the document--a second rate lowly official did that thus it really does not make Russia a "guarantor" nation.

    Regardless of what the Ukraine does--this is where Russia is headed no more no less and the West seems to be OK with it ---

    Russian MP Fedorov: Russia with Ukraine will create a single state http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-july-...ne-will-create … pic.twitter.com/egVvookmOA

    SBU says five Russian Generals are key in orchestrating Ukraine's insurgency. http://bv.ms/1JzBI8Y v @EliLake + @joshrogin

    Not just SBU! We @GorseFires (+ @DajeyPetros) say since Dec 2014 that the JCCC Russian General Lentsov de facto RU cmdr Donbas
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