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    Russian 6Ds propaganda OR the "truth". Just to refresh everyones' memory --another article from the same Russian writer.

    Friday, July 17, 2015


    Obama has Sold Out Ukraine to Get Deal with Iran, Illarionov Says

    Paul Goble

    Staunton, July 17 – President Barack Obama has sold out Ukraine in order to get Vladimir Putin’s support for a nuclear deal with Iran, according to Andrey Illarionov. Other commentators, including at least one Ukrainian one, disagree. But almost all expect that Putin will expect gratitude from the US and fear that he may get it.

    In a commentary on Kasparov.ru yesterday, Illarionov says that the deal he has warned against for the last 16 months has occurred: the US has sacrificed Ukraine in order to get Putin’s support in talks with Iran and Syria, and it has made this deal “without the participation of Ukraine and at Ukraine’s expense” (kasparov.ru/material.php?id=55A7D54ECA084).

    This sell-out began, the Russian commentator says, during US Secretary of State John Kerry’s visit to Sochi when he did not mention Crimea and effectively created together with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov “’the Sochi-Munich format’ of negotiations in the shape of the Nuland-Karasin talks without the participation of Ukraine.”

    That in itself achieved one of Putin’s major aims: eliminating Ukraine as a discussant of its own fate and elevating Russia to the level of the United States as a center of decision making about other countries. Then, Illarionov traces the way in which this new “format” worked in the intervening period.
    This culminated on July 14, he continues, when Obama told the New York Times the following: ‘Asked if President Vladimir Putin of Russia was a help or a hindrance in concluding this deal, Mr. Obama said: “Russia was a help on this. I’ll be honest with you. I was not sure given the strong differences we are having with Russia right now around Ukraine, whether this would sustain itself. Putin and the Russian government compartmentalized on this in a way that surprised me, and we would have not achieved this agreement had it not been for Russia’s willingness to stick with us and the other P5-Plus members in insisting on a strong deal.”

    The American president continued: “I was encouraged by the fact that Mr. Putin called me a couple of weeks ago and initiated the call to talk about Syria. I think they get a sense that the Assad regime is losing a grip over greater and greater swaths of territory inside of Syria [to Sunni jihadist militias] and that the prospects for a [Sunni jihadist] takeover or rout of the Syrian regime is not imminent but becomes a greater and greater threat by the day. That offers us an opportunity to have a serious conversation with them.”

    The very next day, US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland arrived in Kyiv. “The main goal of [her] visit,” Illarionov says, was “to force [Ukrainian President Petro] Poroshenko to change the draft Constitution of Ukraine by including in it references to ‘the special regions of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts,” where pro-Moscow forces control much of the territory.

    That is exactly what Poroshenko did, and a number of deputies in Ukraine’s parliament issued a statement about what they believe is “an act of betrayal,” one that denies Ukraine the right of self-determination by legitimizing Russian forces on the territory of Ukraine (facebook.com/oksana.syroyid/posts/1016331355058693?hc_location=ufi).

    That international legitimation of the presence of Russian forces on Ukrainian territory taken without any involvement of the Ukrainian state and Ukrainian people, the members of the Verkhovna Rada say, is “the end not only of European prospects for Ukraine” but also represents “the success of the Kremlin’s plan and the end of the Ukrainian state.”

    Having quoted that declaration in full, Illarionov observes that Poroshenko has “fulfilled the first point of Putin’s demands on Ukraine” by changing that country’s constitution and that in his effort to do so, the Moscow leader has enjoyed the support of Obama. Now, the question is, will Kyiv meet all the rest of Putin’s demands? And will Obama help with that as well?

    These other demands, the Russian analyst says, include a Ukrainian amnesty for all those who fought for Moscow in eastern Ukraine, the implementation of the law on special status for the Donbas and the holding of elections, the adoption by Ukraine of a law on local administration, and the lifting of the Ukrainian economic blockade from these territories.


    Illarionov says in conclusion that “there is no doubt that these demands from Putin will be fulfilled.”

    Not everyone in Moscow, Washington, or Kyiv agrees with this analysis, of course, and one of the most pointed critiques of it has been provided by Petr Oleshchuk, a political scientist at Shevchenko State University in Kyiv (nv.ua/opinion/oleschuk/kak-putin-prevratilsya-v-amerikanskuyu-marionetku-59600.html).

    He argues that “everything is not so simple” as Illarionov supposes and that the suggestion of a simple deal of the kind the Russian analyst does is “too primitive and one-dimensional.”

    What does it mean that Obama has “thanked” Putin for his support on the Iranian deal? According to Oleshchuk, only that “the administration of the US president still views Putin as a partner, a difficult one but a partner nonetheless who is needed for the resolution of certain problems.” It doesn’t necessarily signal a deal on anything else.

    “Having trapped himself in Ukraine,” the Ukrainian political scientist say, “Putin has made an expensive gift to the American White House.” On the one hand, having condemned himself to international isolation, he has little room for maneuver. And on the other, he has opened the way for sanctions that the West can employ for more than just Ukraine.

    Indeed, in Oleshchuk’s view, “having tied himself hand and foot, Putin cannot simply leave, cannot move forward, but cannot be forced either. He now is completely in the hands of the US which has received as a result yet another bonus in the form of the rebirth of NATO as a factor in world politics.”

    Oleshchuk’s conclusion: “As long as Putin is ‘in Ukraine,’ he is dependent on others. [And] this dependence can be used. The clearest example is the Iranian issue.” For the US, he continues, there are benefits from ensuring that neither Ukraine nor Russia achieve any advantages” and that the conflict continues.

    “Any attempts by Russia to go further will be stopped, because both a victory and a defeat of the Russian Federation would not be “profitable” for the United States. A Russian “victory would mean an imperial passionate explosive and the prospects for a new expansion. Defeat would be the end of the Putin regime and the collapse of the largest country in the world.”

    But regardless of whether Illarionov or Oleshchuk is correct, it is certain, Liliya Shevtsov writes, that Putin “will expect gratitude” from Obama for his “assistance” in allowing the US president to achieve his “dream.” And she suggests that such gratitude could take a variety of forms (kasparov.ru/material.php?id=55A7D24BEE92C).

    Among them are such issues as missile defense in Europe, a possible international tribunal on the downing of the Malaysian jetliner, and “finally on the war in Ukraine.” Consequently, “we shall see [in the near future] whether interests or principles predominate in American policy.”

    Shevtsova does not say, but one could add the ancient observation that gratitude is often not a powerful motivating force but the expectation of gratitude is – and if Putin believes he has a right to that, he may act in ways now that he would not have before Obama gave his interview to the New York Times
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    AFTER Russian FM delete THEN this via the same Russian FM

    Lavrov, Steinmeier stress on phone need for soonest Ukrainian army withdrawal from Shyrokyne - Russian Foreign Ministry -- IFX

    AND there was no direct threat to the Germans--clear as a bell there was--and the Russians slipped up on their social media side of the house and forgot tweets can be tracked.
    This fully indicates hat the Russian FM threatened the Germans---notice how suddenly this announcement is bland and in FM style--vs the deleted tweet.

    Russian FM Lavrov held phone talks with #Ukraine, US, German counterparts demanding 'demilitarization' of Shyrokyne http://www.rferl.mobi/a/27136521.html

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has held talks with his counterparts from Ukraine, Germany, and the United States about the situation in eastern Ukraine.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry said Lavrov held separate talks via phone on July 18 with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin, Germany's Frank-Walter Steinmeier, and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, calling for Ukrainian forces to "to begin the demilitarization" of the southeastern village of Shyrokyne, near the strategic port city of Mariupol.

    Lavrov said he told his three counterparts that Russian-backed separatists had already withdrawn from the area, which is near the Azov Sea.

    Lavrov also reportedly called on Klimkin to "resolve questions concerning the constitutional reform project," aimed at offering more autonomy to the rebel-controlled areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

    More than 6,500 people have been killed in the fighting between Ukrainian and separatist forces since April 2014.

    The Ukrainian military said on July 18 that "the situation has deteriorated sharply" in eastern Ukraine.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry said Lavrov and Kerry also discussed the situation in Syria.
    NOTE:

    The true core question is why is this DMZ evidently so important to the Russians when they have not in fact fully withdrawn as they claim and are still shelling it?????

    On July 1, Russian-backed rebel forces announced their withdrawal from the empty, war-torn village of Shyrokyne on the Azov Sea, about 40kilometers from the Russian border. The rebels called the retreat an “act of good will” and declared the heavily mined town a demilitarized zone. But the gesture seems to have been fleeting: pro-Russian forces repositioned themselves a mere 1.5 kilometers away on higher ground. On July 8, separatist leader Alexander Zakharchenko called Shyrokyne a “trap” for Ukrainian troops and said that his forces repositioned themselves at a “commanding point.” Ukrainian volunteer battalions continue to hold their positions in Shyrokyne, just east of Mariupol, a symbolically important Ukrainian-held port city of over 400,000 people.
    Why--because if the UA has to withdraw then they are virtually in the city of Mariupol and Russian tanks can cover the distance from Shyrokyne to Mariupol in under 30 minutes. Plus it frees them up to take the northern flank of Mariupol with ease especially since the Russians are tank heavy and the weather and terrain are perfect for a fast tank assault.

    Then the dash to Odessa is a breeze for them thus the land corridor to the Crimea becomes reality especially since RUMINT has it the Kerch bridge will not be built due to having no money.
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    16:49 #Maryinka @Donetsk_Live Battle nearby - tanks, mortars, GLs

    Hell in yday's #Avdiivka: a residential building being shelled over & over again
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0OgfAxvbl4 … pic.twitter.com/vpRlS0E1EV

    TBG-7V thermobaric grenades in #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/ifvjirgdSs

    Various #MANPADS in #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/tZ4vxmkgw1

    @GrahamWP_UK @BBCWillVernon I am a Luhansk local who is not at home for a year as the result of 'work' by such alien invaders like you.
    @GrahamWP_UK @BBCWillVernon Go home.

    PG-7VR warheads and what looks like RShG-1 or RPG-27, any one can ID?
    pic.twitter.com/tJfaxEmS8s

    Russia (proxies) deliberately shelled #Donetsk to provoke #Ukrainian troops. RADIO INTERCEPTION http://en.censor.net.ua/n344488 @censor_net

    Russia (proxies) threaten to demolish #Avdiivka – #Ukraine Major General Taran. VIDEO http://en.censor.net.ua/n344493 @censor_net

    'If another shell hits #Donetsk, we will wipe #Avdiivka off the face of the earth together with the Coke Plant'https://twitter.com/MikkoLaaksonen1/...90497115996162

    Avdeevka station, Jul18 shelling aftermath @666_mancer @zinkoviy more photos at http://vk.com/wall-1206792_495129 … pic.twitter.com/4FJTi9V6n8

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    youtube.com/watch?v=6i81cgkXkGY … #Luhansk: Below-100mm caliber 'unilateral' #Russian pullback. So they say. pic.twitter.com/35319sZzEM

    REALITYCHECK
    LEFT: 24.2.2015
    RIGHT: 19.7.2015
    Is (most) GER / Western media really that useless ?!

    pic.twitter.com/Ej8eJ5gJbp

    #Ukraine shelling of central #Donetsk "barbarity" - #DPR defense ministry

    DPR defense ministry threatens to move weapons back if #Kiev tries to launch offensive

    Over 120 weapons with caliber under 100 mm removed from frontline - #DPR defense ministry

    So all those weapons pulled back means evidently no more shellings--check below.

    Militants also shelled Ukrainian positions in Optyne, Avdiivka Kirov, Berezove, Yasnobrodivka, Kurdyumivka, Pervomaisk, Pisky Stanytsia Luhanska, Krasnohorivka, Lozove, Mykolaivka & Novotroits'ke – ATO

    youtube.com/watch?v=MXsmIUm340c … Does reactive armor grow on trees in #Russia-held #Luhansk? Shd #Ukraine call Monsanto maybe? pic.twitter.com/HegMN4MlbB

    There is another one !!
    What kind of newly brought in T-64 / T-72 mix is this ?!?! pic.twitter.com/FQEmgeyVwR

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    Reference Georgian events with armed troops who crossed into Georgia-----

    Georgian Minister of Defense says Russia's attempting to provoke another conflict with Georgia http://top.rbc.ru/politics/19/07/201...794707b3ca6e9a … pic.twitter.com/nU8lQ5smxN

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    First clear indication that the Russian General assigned to the JCCC works hand in hand with the Russian mercenaries.

    http://www.unian.info/war/1102436-at...ng-attack.html

    ATO Headquarters: Avdiyivka at risk of devastating attack

    19.07.2015 | 18:44

    Militants threaten a devastating attack on Avdiyivka in Donetsk region, as reported by head of the Ukrainian side of the Joint Center for Control and Coordination (JCCC), Major-General Andriy Taran at a briefing in Kramatorsk today, according to local news website Novosti Donbasa at novosti.dn.ua.

    The JCCC made special appeal to the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to take all measures to stop further escalation of the conflict due to shelling of Donetsk and the surrounding area at night on July 19, according to Taran.

    "Therefore, yesterday a statement was made to stop further escalation of the conflict and deliberate destruction of the town of Avdiyivka and the Avdiyivka coke plant. Moreover, after this provocation my colleague General Romanchuk, from the Russian side, told me literally what was said in Donetsk – in case of a single missile launch at Donetsk, Avdiyivka with its coke plant will be wiped out. That is why I had to appeal to the OSCE requesting them to immediately take all measures to stop further escalation of the conflict," Taran said.

    As UNIAN reported earlier, Major-General Andriy Taran reported at a briefing today that night shelling of Avdiyivka with 122-mm guns was stopped after Ukrainian military threatened to return heavy weapons to the front line and the intervention of the OSCE representatives.

    This last sentence is telling--in spite of heavy Russian shellings the Ukrainian Army is in fact attempting to hold to Minsk 2 by not returning fire and not returning heavy weapons to the front line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    First clear indication that the Russian General assigned to the JCCC works hand in hand with the Russian mercenaries.

    http://www.unian.info/war/1102436-at...ng-attack.html

    ATO Headquarters: Avdiyivka at risk of devastating attack

    19.07.2015 | 18:44

    [/I][/U]
    This last sentence is telling--in spite of heavy Russian shellings the Ukrainian Army is in fact attempting to hold to Minsk 2 by not returning fire and not returning heavy weapons to the front line.
    Further evidence that the shelling yesterday was a Russian "false flag attack" in order to provoke a Ukrainian response.

    1 hour BEFORE shelling of #Donetsk city began (18 Jul), DPR stooge Zakharchenko gave "strict orders" to retaliate... pic.twitter.com/yvtDqfVgHs

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    Worth reading.......

    http://www.imrussia.org/en/analysis/...ive-in-ukraine

    Is Russia Planning a Summer Offensive in Ukraine?

    17 July 2015 Luke Johnson

    The conflict in eastern Ukraine has been simmering for months, but speculation has risen that the Kremlin could order a major attack on Ukrainian positions in the coming weeks. Independent journalist Luke Johnson interprets the mixed signals coming from Moscow and the separatist “people’s republics,” finding that there may be strategic logic behind the rebels’ current holding pattern.

    KIEV — On July 1, Russian-backed rebel forces announced their withdrawal from the empty, war-torn village of Shyrokyne on the Azov Sea, about 40 kilometers from the Russian border. The rebels called the retreat an “act of good will” and declared the heavily mined town a demilitarized zone. But the gesture seems to have been fleeting: pro-Russian forces repositioned themselves a mere 1.5 kilometers away on higher ground. On July 8, separatist leader Alexander Zakharchenko called Shyrokyne a “trap” for Ukrainian troops and said that his forces repositioned themselves at a “commanding point.” Ukrainian volunteer battalions continue to hold their positions in Shyrokyne, just east of Mariupol, a symbolically important Ukrainian-held port city of over 400,000 people.

    This contradictory sequence of events is in many ways a microcosm of all the recent fighting and political maneuvering in eastern Ukraine. Russia and its proxies have been intensifying their military efforts in some cases and halting them in others, not opting for either a real pullback or a dramatic escalation. A significant retreat would grant a victory to Ukraine and its Western-leaning government in Kiev, while an all-out escalation could provoke Western powers into slapping more sanctions on Russia and make Russia’s involvement in Ukraine all but impossible to deny. The stakes are therefore high—Russia could suffer significantly if it chooses one or the other path outright.

    As a result, the Kremlin appears to have decided that something in the middle is ideal, while it continues to use non-military means to weaken the Ukrainian regime as much as possible. It has been exactly a year since the crash of MH17, an incident in which Russian-backed rebels are strongly implicated, but neither that tragedy nor continued fighting has led Moscow to back down. The West and Ukraine have chosen not to confront Russia more aggressively either in recent months, instead allowing the Kremlin to keep the situation low-key but unstable.

    This kind of managed instability—or, for Russia, the Goldilocks (“just right”) principle—has been on display in recent military and political moves by Moscow and its proxies in Donetsk and Luhansk. Russian-backed separatist forces have continued to fight the Ukrainian Army and volunteer battalions in several hotspots in the East, but there have been few signs that a full-scale offensive is on the horizon. In the political arena, separatist authorities have announced their own local elections in an attempt to move the territories further away from Kiev, but without making them a part of Russia.

    While the fighting has not involved much territory changing hands, it has been bloody and near-constant, despite the Minsk-2 ceasefire agreement signed in February between Ukraine and the separatists. Daily reports by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe detail shelling, artillery, and weapons fire coming from both sides. According to the United Nations, at least 400 more casualties have occurred since the agreement was signed, and a July 11 report by the OSCE listed 617 cease-fire violations just in the area of the Donetsk Airport, which rebel forces took from Ukrainians in January after four-and-a-half months of heavy combat.

    At least one prominent military analyst has predicted that Russia will launch an offensive this summer, arguing that July-August is the perfect time for it because Russian draftees with a year of service under their belts, including many stationed near the Ukraine border, are scheduled to demobilize in the fall. But if the Kremlin does order an attack, it appears unlikely that it would target a major city. The most obvious symbolic choice for separatists would be Mariupol, with its port, two large steel factories, and its location as a possible link to the isolated Crimean peninsula. Speculation that separatists were planning to invade the city increased when the pro-Ukrainian Dnipro-1 Battalion found what it said was a Russian military encampment north of the city in June. An assault on Mariupol would require troops and tanks far beyond what was observed at that base, however, and it would blatantly expose Russia’s denied involvement in the East.

    “If there was an attempt on Mariupol, [Russian President Vladimir] Putin would lose many of his soldiers,” said Roman Sokolov, head of the civic organization Defense of Mariupol, in a recent interview. “You need to use airpower, possibly use the sea. If you use airpower, it’s already open aggression against the territory of Ukraine, and there you will not be able to say that it’s just ’rebels.’”

    Ukraine is perhaps most vulnerable to Russian aggression in the areas of economy and finance. Kiev faces an economic crisis that is at least partially Russia’s making: it has imposed trade sanctions on Ukraine, even while denying that they are political, and helped wage the destructive conflict in the country’s east.

    Putin may be willing to sacrifice Russian lives in such a battle, but first he has to convince his soldiers to fight, which is apparently becoming more of a challenge. Earlier this month, news website Gazeta.ru quoted a junior sergeant in a contract unit in southern Russia as saying that he saw people dressed in camouflage with no insignia trying to convince enlisted men to fight in the Donbass. The soldiers were offered 8,000 rubles ($142) per day to fight, according to a lawyer representing some of them, an amount that on a monthly basis would be far above the average salary in Russia of 30,620 rubles ($537). Even this pitch of impressive pay did not garner great results—some soldiers still didn’t want to go, partly due to miserable field conditions. After recruiters tried to force them to “volunteer,” they deserted their units. This has become a trend: there were 62 desertion cases prosecuted by a military tribunal court in southern Russia in the first half of 2015 alone, compared to 35 in all of 2010-2014.

    On the political front, the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics have announced their own local elections, moving them away from Ukraine but not necessarily joining them with Russia as Crimea has. This step came after Ukraine announced constitutional amendments on July 1 that did not include “special status” for the regions. Moscow criticized this move as not granting the republics their rightful autonomy, and the Russian-backed Donetsk and Luhansk governments said they would conduct their own elections on October 18 and November 1, sandwiching Ukraine’s local elections on October 25. This week, Ukraine’s parliament approved constitutional changes allowing for more self-government of the regions, but so far the separatist elections remain on schedule. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said explicitly that the government would not decentralize authority more via federalization, as Russia has called for, while separatist negotiator Denis Pushilin said they would continue to demand “special rights.”

    Continued......................................... ........
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    What the heck have the Russian mercenary leaders of the DNR been smoking lately??????

    A true altered state of reality.

    BREAKING: DNR CLAIMS UKRAINE ATTACKED TRANSNISTRIA WITH MORTARS
    http://dnr24.su/ukrainskie-novosti/5...minometov.html

    This time even Transnistria media denies the stupidity.
    http://dniester.ru/node/12986

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    Ukrainian drones ONE Russia Army ZERO--Previously drone videoed major Russia tank base has now disappeared—was the Russian Army actually caught on drone video????? Cover blown it seems.

    VIDEO: Reg Dnipro-1 drone footage showing Rus military equipment previously recorded, now gonehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VYoxgRPQ4U&sns=tw … pic.twitter.com/jEhlrZAlmK

    Russian military abandoned #Sontseve base after being discovered by @Aero_Dnipro1 aerial recon http://inforesist.org/voennye-rf-bro...akt/?_utl_t=tw … pic.twitter.com/G2Uh9PmpBX

    But gone where? There's plenty of woodland and sheds in area between Komsomolske and Telmanove. Base infrastructure intact
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    Are we fooled? No. 18 July in #Donetsk city: Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) with DPR insignia https://vk.com/5btgr?w=wall-90856856_2022 … pic.twitter.com/bd7VRExoDo

    Mercenary weapon potentially used to shell their own town.
    82 mm Vasilek mortar: 4 rounds cassete, relatively small crater, 4.2km range. EXACTLY what we saw on yesterdays vid from the bridge.

    more pix surfaced of DNR "travelling mortars", which probably hit donetsk yesterday https://twitter.com/vladicvp/status/622756129970475008

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    AND the war is back into high gear—continuous shellings and ground attacks all along the eastern front line.

    Looks like we have a Russian attack on the entire Donbas line: Stanitsa Luhanska, Mariinka, Donetsk, Avdiivka, Alchevsk. Is this the moment?


    21:10 #Dzerzhynsk @dimetros7776 At Mayorsk intense battle started, everything flashes in that direction

    21:00 #Horlivka @tgorlovka They say at 20:34 one could hear Grad shots, but out of distance

    Horlivka
    20:58 @Julia_Twinkle Now loudly, very much, smth heavy lands
    21:09 @Lana_mem Ground convulses, truce in high gear

    Horlivka: voltage drops, electricity down in places

    21:19 #Horlivka @sau152mm Today #Maorsk and 6-7 mine area are fighting

    Horlivka
    21:07 @77bot1 Shumy, 6-7 mine - battle
    21:10 @xy_gorlov4an They shell. Incoming and outgoing.Heavy ones

    22:00 #Horlivka @77bot1 Hard to get anything. Seems to be calmed down, but there's some movement at frontlines

    21:57 #Horlivka @tgorlovka After 1/2hr lull they fire again

    21:35 #Donetsk @nixer79 All day was quiet... after sunset they started over: several volleys fr/Putilovka groove/bridge

    Russian attacks currently in Horlivka, Mariinka and Dzerzhinsk. Looks like it will be another heated night.
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    Russia's VDV (airborne) special forces were everywhere in #Donetsk on July 18th
    https://youtu.be/QeJopKyIznY?t=33s … pic.twitter.com/qJTJsZOmo6

    Russia's VDV (airborne) special forces / spetsnaz ID'd in #Donetsk on July 18th
    https://pp.vk.me/c621829/v621829724/...FFthb7rrI4.jpg

    Close-up of the #Russia|n special forces / spetsnaz insignia at monument ceremony in Donetsk, July 18
    pic.twitter.com/uN0TkmeGlw

    youtube.com/watch?v=RlGxddl-yME … Irony: #Russia's LTG Romanchuk+#OSCE oversee masked #Russians/#Donetsk 'pullback.' pic.twitter.com/ElmI0DYJGt

    Russia|n forces on the move in #Kirovske, towards #Ukraine frontline.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i81cgkXkGY … pic.twitter.com/RhqnOS1yXB

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    More information on the hack of the Italian software company The Hacking Company which was involved in heavy cyber warfare and cyber crime.


    hackteam #hackingteam I am off see you tomorrow but here are the files - have fun https://drive.google.com/folderview?...lE&usp=sharing … the best selection

    hackteam #hackingteam tomorrow the 100+ most important leaked documents in 1 box
    hackingteam #cloudflare is like a fastflux network changing Ip addresses quickly or once every so many weeks or days pic.twitter.com/WxwXP0VLay

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russia's VDV (airborne) special forces were everywhere in #Donetsk on July 18th
    https://youtu.be/QeJopKyIznY?t=33s … pic.twitter.com/qJTJsZOmo6

    Russia's VDV (airborne) special forces / spetsnaz ID'd in #Donetsk on July 18th
    https://pp.vk.me/c621829/v621829724/...FFthb7rrI4.jpg

    Close-up of the #Russia|n special forces / spetsnaz insignia at monument ceremony in Donetsk, July 18
    pic.twitter.com/uN0TkmeGlw

    youtube.com/watch?v=RlGxddl-yME … Irony: #Russia's LTG Romanchuk+#OSCE oversee masked #Russians/#Donetsk 'pullback.' pic.twitter.com/ElmI0DYJGt

    Russia|n forces on the move in #Kirovske, towards #Ukraine frontline.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i81cgkXkGY … pic.twitter.com/RhqnOS1yXB
    Excellent find! Romanchuk is Russian Army (Southern MD) JCCC rep - He's a tank warfare specialist, reorganising DPR/LPR units.

    Russian Lt-Gen Romanchuk (JCCC rep) & #OSCE_SMM oversee tank redeployment from contact line 19 Jul https://youtu.be/RlGxddl-yME?t=1s

    Romanchuk 19 July pic.twitter.com/avn2Mkwxgd

    Russian forces DPR tank unit "withdrawing" (ie being redployed out of sight) in front of OSCE SMM pic.twitter.com/NNisf8EpZx

    Instead of moving the Minsk 2 required 25kms they only moved 3kms

    NOTICE--exactly the Russian JCCC General is supporting the mercenary claimed withdrawal of 100mm weapons BUT yet the "withdrawn" weapons are only driven a couple of kms and then hidden from the OSCE.
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    18:55 #Donetsk @PVB40 [fb] Opposite central entrance to Botanic gardens a covered trucks column was sitting at 6pm

    Donetsk @gnzh2 [fb] "Some w/corpses, the rest with ammo. It headed Makeevka"
    19:15 "They've got a regular assembly point there"

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    Strange explosions in N #Donetsk tonight.
    Looks a bit like firework and flares.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSZfY7sUH4g … pic.twitter.com/KOhTJOSCnA
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    Appears a book written by a number of writers claiming to have been in the Donbass and supporting the separatists never were.

    Gazeta.ru tracks down author of "Honest Donbass" book project to a Putin PR functionary from the 2012 elections http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2015/0..._7644157.shtml

    When I visited Donbas, what struck me most was the absence of any RU forces", writes @JonHellevig, while he admitted he never was in Donbas

    Bulgarian journalist @OGeorgiev says he had no clue he was featured in the [fake]-book "The Honest Donbas" http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2015/0..._7644157.shtml

    indeed, @OGeorgiev, can you confirm you did not know you were featured in "Honest Donbass" until Gazeta.ru asked you about it?

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    Will be interesting to see if the OSCE actually defines in their report that this is clearly a Russian Army only MBT not ever delivered to the UA.

    If they do not then you know they are no longer neutral in the Ukraine.

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    @OSCE_SMM staff on 100% Russian Army T-72B1
    I bet 100$,they will not name it as such

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlGxddl-yME
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    The Ukraine has implemented the special status process AND while it is not the from Russia demanded “Bosnian solution”—the mercenaries are openly threatening war AND what is the Obama/Kerry response---nothing.

    The US demanded from the Ukraine an unilateral response AND they get THIS-----

    Zakharchenko: "If on Monday in Minsk nothing will be solved, and i think it won't, then there will be war..."
    https://twitter.com/AkaDON12/status/622986743151742977

    07:51 [#Maryinka] @arthurnkua Fresh morning SMS for UKR: "Donbas cannot be brought back. Further bloodshed is vain. DNR"

    AND from the “supposedly withdrawn 100mmm weapons announced by the mercenaries “seems” to have not occurred even though they claim it---

    At 4:30AM russians began shelling Ukr positions in #Luhanske, #Rozsadky, #Sanzharivka, #Lozove area.
    https://www.facebook.com/ato.news/ph...849292/?type=1

    If it is not apparent to DoS Kerry---"actions are speaking far more for Russian attitudes than their words".

    At some point it has to become apparent even to Kerry that the Russians will annex eastern Ukraine.

    AND that there is a war ongoing.

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    Inside his state tv bubble, #Russia's chief propagandist is a fearless firebrand. Outside, he can't take the heat. https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/st...77357429256192

    Antratsyt @noyabriov "According to locals troops from Chuvashia are hosted in the area"

    00:41 #Kirovsk @kish_fish Today at Donetsky settlement I've heard as a train was going fr/Ukraine to 'LNR'

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