Azor....you are actually seeing the correct picture.....although the West has not caught onto it yet.Originally Posted by Azor
1. there was to be a major national council meeting where the purging og officers was going to decided....leaked to the AKP media several weeks ago
2. there is social media reports of families talking to the "captured sons" who took part openly stating we were alerted of a "coup alert and follow on exercise
3. a lot of the coup officers were in the LTC/COLs and MAJs levels which is totally not normal for a coup although a lot of top commanders were arrested
4. this whole mess actually started with the series of released intercepted voice conversations of members of the Erdogan family and himself involved in deep corruption....and the follow on arrest of many of those charged with corruption out of those tapes...that triggered the first Erdogan wave of prosecutors and judges being fired and a change in the release of voice tapes and a clamp down on the press
5. then when the officially legal arm of the Kurds the HDP won 13% of the votes in the previous election it effectively blocked Erdogan from creating his one man rule
6. then the sudden clamp down on all Kurdish activists and the HDP to taking away their parliamentary immunity
7. then the sudden purge of his PM who he viewed as being to western friendly thus moving the position to a hardcore AKP supporter
8. then the Erdogan refusal to allow members of the German Parliament and the German Defense Minister to visit her troops (the Tornado crews) due to the Germans stating that Turkey committed genocide with the Armenians.....this after the Germans bent over backwards to assist Turkey in setting up election booths across Germany for the last Turkish elections and providing the Patriots when he felt threatened by Assad.....
Thus triggering the PKK into action thus giving Erdogan an excuse to look like the powerful leader for the next election which he and AKP won giving him singular powers....
This so called coup now gave him the right to purge the military and bring in only AKP friendly officers ie Islamists and to purge the judiciary which he did.
BUT this is the key......the US sees it as well......
U.S. warns Turkey against 'insinuations' of involvement in coup attempt
http://www.unian.info/world/1421840-...p-attempt.html …
In some aspects Erdogan is just as dangerous as Putin is.....
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A great bystander's account of the Turkish non-coup, by novelist @kayagenc
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/op...e=opinion&_r=0 …
Sky rocketing anti-Americanism and lead of Islamic factions on streets seem to become the main theme 2nd day after #TurkeyCoupAttempt
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BINGO......now the "truth arrives".....via Dugin as always who was in Turkey just before the coup...which actually surprised me as Turkey was not his sphere of influence as he has been focused up to then on eastern Ukraine....
Many in the West view Dugin as a crazy neo right radical ideologue but he is up close and tight with Putin and was often in the past an advisor to Putin's inner circle....
Yes he is right wing crazy but crazy as a fox........
BREAKING: Erdogan, Putin to meet in first week of August, Turkish presidential source says - @anadoluagency
Two indicators that lead me to believe Putin knew this coup was coming......
1. during the Moscow press conference the Russian FM was not terribly worried about the outcome of the so called coup although Kerry was taken by surprise....the Russian FM was not if one reads body language well...
2. when asked if the Russian government was going to pullout their tourists that just got allowed to visit Turkey...Russian response was "not yet as we see no reason to"....as if they anticipated it ending quickly....by all appearance in their statements they were not in the least bit worried about their tourists...
BTW....major indicator...
Ten days before the coup Russian Sputnik carried an interview with the Turkish FM stating that he had discussed allowing Russia to use the NATO airbase...then he suddenly pulled back and stated he had not......but Russian media carried the story for a couple of days
This all has come about after a series of so called IS terrorist attacks on Turkey....which some have called false flag attacks.
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Turkey's jails are filling up with alleged coup plotters. The Justice Minister says 6000 people are now detained.
http://m.france24.com/en/breaking/20...ate=2016-07-17 …
1 of biggest reasons Mr. Erdogan recovered from coup bc "critical" media gave him voice.
Today 2 independent news sites shut down.
Payback?
Gulen challenges Erdogan to let an independent international committee investigate #TurkeyCoup.
https://twitter.com/zamanamerika/sta...83041498640385 …
French foreign minister says the failed coup does not give Erdogan a "blank cheque" for purges - Reuters
Turkish commander Brigadier General B.E. Van at US Incirlik base is also arrested:
http://www.haberdar.com/gundem/incir...tml?mnst=16481 …
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davidbfpo
Michael Weiss @michaeldweiss
My latest: If you liked Erdogan before the coup, you'll love him now:
http://thebea.st/29ZebnQ
Now the "Revolution is eating it's own children"....there is more going on than meets the eye...when this happens.......
Ankara: Arrest warrant for #Erdogan's top military assistant Ali Yazıcı.
Erdoğan's top military aide Col. Ali Yazıcı in custody for complicity in coup attempt
http://sabahdai.ly/q4O8D3
Higher and higher it goes...
NOTE: If he was part of coup, even more amazing they didn't attempt to detain Erdogan
https://twitter.com/mahirzeynalov/st...79274364407808 …
Are we potentially seeing a reverse coup where a democratically elected official using a "so called coup" takes complete control and basically declares himself a "sultan".......with absolutely no controls on his power by eliminating all control/balance mechanisms of a nation state claiming to be democratic....
Turkey under Erdogan has had the undeclared slant of reestablishing Turkish leadership in the areas of the former Ottoman Empire...using both the AKP and the Turkish neo Nazi group "Grey Wolves.
Now we are seeing the shift of Turkey from a secular democratic Muslim nation state to a right wing Islamist nation state....probably the first time in history that we can in fact witness such a transition.....Attaturk is spinning in his grave as this was the inherent danger he foresaw for Turkey historically speaking....
Erdoganist media asking:"When those treacherous media executives will be arrested?"
They talk abt independent media
As Erdogan rounds up judges, where's the evidence they had anything to do with coup attempt?
http://bit.ly/29LZrc0
6000 people are arrested with a pretext within 24 hours.
Was the list made before the coup?
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French are good at calling a spade a spade........
Turkey may no longer be a viable partner in fight against Isis following coup, says French FM:"there are suspicions" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7141501.html …
Alexander Dugin was in Turkey one day before the putsch. Dogu Perincek, a deep state Eurasianist, is Dugin's guy.
In 50 years, will Erdogan's hunt on the Gulenists feel like Stalin's purge of Trostskyists, vast majority of whom had no relation to Trotsky
Notice....there is not much coming from the Erdogan regime after yelling at the top of their lungs..."he is responsible".....ALL hype for the masses.....
SecKerry: Been no formal request for extradition of man Erdogan blames for #TurkeyCoup, #FethullahGulen. "Look forward to receiving it"
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CNN Trk ENG
✔ @CNNTURK_ENG #LATEST İncirlik base in Turkey which was closed after coup attempt reopens, ISIS operations from the base resume
Turkey picture from #Ankara showing group of men attacking Syrian shops
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Turkey's witch-hunt kicks off. Former university rector, a govt critic, tweets that he is being arrested. https://twitter.com/drmehmetates/sta...08857088249856 …
"When they came for the disabled I said nothing, when they came for the Communists I said nothing, when they came for the Socialists I said nothing, when they came for the labor unionists I said nothing, when they came for the Jews I said nothing.......when they came for me there was no one left to say anything...."
Many have quietly said in private over the last few years that there is a not so subtle drift towards fascism in Turkey via their Grey Wolf paramilitary group, the ring wing Islamists and Turkish nationalists....
That same Erdogan right wing Turkish groupings are strong in Europe especially Germany......
VIDEO: Erdogan supporters attack school associated w/ Gulen in #Germany after failed coup -@thevocaleurope
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Turkey's coup attempt "might cause [Erdogan] to question himself,” Selahattin Demirtas tells @borzou in Diyarbakir: https://www.buzzfeed.com/borzoudarag...aA2#.xyp41Eo1Z …
BREAKING: Turkish official: Clashes between security forces, resisting coup backers in Istanbul.
Reports of clashes at #Konya air base in central #Turkey (now contained) & #Istanbul's Sabiha Gokcen Airport, where shots reportedly fired
UPDATE: Air Strike Reportedly Hits Coup Plotters At Airbase Near Ankara.
Erdogan says he will discuss the possibility of restoring the death sentence with the opposition #Turkey
EU policy on the death penalty - Is Erdogan signaling the dream of entering the EU is over?
http://eeas.europa.eu/human_rights/adp/index_en.htm …
Turkey: Compilation of reports in local media suggest mid- to high-level military officials arrested in *at least* 17 provinces.
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Azor...this is what I pay attention to these days as Dugan ties into eastern Ukraine in a heavy way......
Russo-Turkish Rapprochement through Idea of Eurasia:
Alexander #Dugin’s Networks in #Turkey
http://www.jamestown.org/uploads/med...fRusso-Turkish …
AND he ties into the US in other ways that the Us MSM and WH are not paying attention to.....
My look at growing ties between US hard-right extremists and Kremlin-linked organizations:
http://www.eurasianet.org/node/79686
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On #Turkey arrests "That the lists are available already...indicates that
this was prepared & at a certain moment should be used"
BUT WAIT Erdogan does not want him in the country as then there would be a major upheaval against him and his AKP......
Turkish cleric Gulen says Erdogan behind coup, willing to be extradited
http://reut.rs/29NIzxE
BREAKING 1,800 Special Operations Unit police officers have been brought to Istanbul from neighboring provinces w/ their armoured vehicles
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Michael Weiss
✔ @michaeldweiss Did Obama get Erdogan wrong?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-turkey-225659 …
This coup is highly unusual due to the following:
Another "mystery": Why was #Erdogan in no rush to reach #Istanbul then?
At least 3 holding patterns before landing.
I asked why Erdogan's jet went into a holding pattern despited being "hunted by pro-coup F-16".
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery,"
Military source says, #Erdogan was in sight of putschists' F-16s
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZX0Q9 …
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Reuters: Senior security official says #Turkey has removed/fired 8,000 police across the country including in #Istanbul and the capital #Ankara
Much of the police sided with Erdogan during #TurkishCoupAttempt but these are times where total loyalty is demanded https://twitter.com/mahirzeynalov/st...29717434847232 …
Do not believe Erdogan fully understands he is driving a new opposition into the arms of a counter revolt......a lot of discontented unemployed people are now angry at him coupled with the PKK...he will have his hands full for years to come.....
Thus far, very few navy officers were arrested, the head of the navy denounced the coup immediately #Turkey
BUT...then...
Commander of the Black Sea fleet, Rear Admiral Omer Faruk Harmancik was arrested #Turkey
Reports that ranking AKP official's brother arrested on suspicions of siding with #TurkeyCoup - via @AssetSourceApp
Major General Mehmet Disli, the brother of AKP figure Saban Disli, is suspected of being one of the main leaders of the coup
TURKEY: Almost every major unit in the Turkish army has lost their commander after #TurkeyCoup - @Ald_Aba
Thus the Turkish Army is virtually leaderless right now ....was this the intent of Erdogan???
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Chaos Plays Into Erdogan’s Hands After a Career Shaped by Coups
http://bloom.bg/29DaZ06
Interesting comment as it is true that suddenly everything is occurring at the same exact time......
After #TurkeyCoup, #ArmeniaCoup the attacks on govt forces started in #Kazakhstan.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/754935670846529536 …
"Red" alert issued in Almaty, Kazakhstan after gunmen attack police station
http://ow.ly/VB2o302l4Hu
Arrest lists are known in advance claimed by EU......
- 3,000+ soldiers/high ranking officers
- 7,850 police officers
- 2,745 judges
- Higher Education Board meeting soon
Turkish government seemed to have list of arrests prepared: EU's Hahn - Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tu...source=twitter …
"Planned coup"...certainly not...BUT a possible "staged coup"...most certainly......
THIS smacks of the "Iranian hotheads" move on the Iranian military in 1979/80......
Turkey has just had its own version of Röhm Putsch. Ataturkism is on its death bed.
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One needs to urgently pay close attention to what this far right Russian ideologue says and writes as he has the ear of Putin and who is deeply tied into eastern Ukraine........NOTICE he brings for me the first time the interconnection between Turkish Islamists and the MB.....this would explain just why the former PM was recently fired...claiming he was to westward leaning....
Alexandr Dugin @A_G_Dugin
Post-Coup Turkey Will Be Distinctly Eurasian
Alexandr Dugin @A_G_DuginThe aftermath of the failed US-directed and Gulen-inspired coup attempt is already making itself clear, with Prime Minister Yildirim stating that Turkey might reinstate the death penalty to deal with the plotters. This statement is just as symbolic as it is substantial, since not only does it disprove allegations that Erdogan "planned this" himself for some Machiavellian purpose, but it also indicates that Turkey has decided to shun the West. The EU is strictly against the death penalty and would immediately halt the decades-long drawn-out accession negotiations with Turkey as a result.
Erdogan correctly calculated that the EU wants nothing to do with his country and that Turkey is unable to milk extra benefits from the bloc after the Brexit referendum, so he recalibrated his state's foreign policy to align with the multipolar world instead. This saw the recent news of Turkey belatedly declaring Al Nusra a terrorist organization and opening up secret reconciliation talks with Syria, despite still repeating the "face saving" refrain of "Assad must go". Furthermore, Turkey is part of Russia's nascent coalition of regional powers opposed to the US' daring attempt to militantly carve out the "second geopolitical Israel" of "Kurdistan". Not only that, but Turkey are Russia are also back on track for reimplementing the Balkan Stream megaproject, which when paired with China's complementary Balkan Silk Road high-speed rail project from Budapest to Piraeus, is perhaps the most ambitious multipolar outreach to Europe that has ever been attempted.
The US stands to lose many of its strategic gains in the past decade if any of these multipolar counteroffensives succeed, let alone all of them, which is why it desperately masterminded this last-ditch attempt to safeguard its unipolar hegemony. Try as it might, though, it was patently obvious what the US was doing, and even Syria's close Iranian ally - which many might otherwise think would have a relative interest in Erdogan's downfall - voiced its support for Turkey's "brave defense of democracy" via a tweet by Foreign Minister Zarif. Despite this statement being somewhat of an oxymoron, it proves that the Syrian government's most active on-the-ground ally understands the greater interests at play here and is thus standing behind Erdogan (however shocking this might seem to many) because of the bigger picture that was just elaborated on above.
As a closing forecast, it's very likely that Turkey will accelerate its multipolar pivot and finally embrace its Eurasian destiny, though not without forthcoming American-improvised Hybrid War challenges - a renewed Kurdish insurgency, left-wing terrorism, a Color Revolution, Daesh attacks, maritime proxy hostility via Greece, engineered provocations with Turkey's other neighbors, a civil war, and/or another feeble coup attempt -- in order to throw the progressively Islamifying and Muslim Brotherhood-inspired state into such chaos that it becomes impossible for its new multipolar partners to make any substantial use of its territory in their joint quest to dismantle the unipolar world order.
Hillary Clinton connected with Fetullah Gulen
Alexandr Dugin @A_G_Dugin
Eurasian bloc in Turkey: Erdoğan and the Kemalists against Gülen and the US
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