I don't know how old you are but this is a common theme on college campuses today. Anyway, this thread may have been a mistake? I just learned of this 5GW concept and am trying to conceptualize it. If all possible, maybe we can erase this thread from existence and pretend it never happened? A sort of, what happens at this thread stays at this thread type of a thing? Can someone arrange this?Originally Posted by SteveMetz
I'm a former college professor and have two kids in college now. There are academics who spout the line you indicate. But I think you are grossly overstating the extent to which they have created a nihilistic generation that hates its heritage. In fact, I think ideologues on the left have a more limited and less corrosive influence on the American polity than ideologues of the right like Rush Limbaugh. To say "the left" is undertaking 5GW is, in my opinion, simply caricature.
I think since people think that fourth generation warfare is a decided (no it isn't) affair, then we've got to go out and discover the fifth generation. If I was going to place fifth generation warfare it would be firmly in the land of computer mediated warfare. At no other time in history have we had the capability of command, control, communication, and coordination. We often try and define cyber warfare as a limited engagement involving computers and the efficacious hooliganism of attacks within one of the three confidentiality, integrity, availability (CIA) triad.
I think if you look deeper the topic is much bigger and references a ground swell in adoption and adaption to strategies and abilities. Computers running UAV's, computers running Phalanx and other battle systems, IED sweeping robots (Roomba of the battle field), and so much more that didn't exist 25 years ago. Fifth generation warfare is not a simple information operation (IO) that might involve a political process. It is a ground swell and change in the active pursuit of kinetic and non-kinetic means of battle.
Sam Liles
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I went to UC Berkeley and for a while even subscribed to the "Nation." Am I in trouble? I like Al Franken and do believe that Rush Limbaugh is a "big fat idiot." Am I to be investigated for subversion?
gian
Uncle Joe McCarthy always said subversion would come through the Army... Do you own anything...... RED!!!!.......
ROTFLMAO...... <- Slangism not crypto islamofacism or judeo-christian zionism..... but totally a geekgasm.
Sam Liles
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The scholarship of teaching and learning results in equal hatred from latte leftists and cappuccino conservatives.
All opinions are mine and may or may not reflect those of my employer depending on the chance it might affect funding, politics, or the setting of the sun. As such these are my opinions you can get your own.
GeekGasm? Geekgasm?
The mind boggles...
To everyone:
As I bleeding-heart, San Francisco mega-lefty, let me officially deny that we have a vast international conspiracy.
To other lefties on the forum:
Ethay ickenchay owsknay aboutway ethay ovenway. Iway epeatray. Ethay ickenchay owsknay aboutway ethay ovenway. Informway Echay immediatelyway!
Last edited by Chris Albon; 01-03-2008 at 05:24 AM.
Yeah, we bought our daughter a few years ago a cute little bright red VW beetle; you know, the kind that his the little flower vase next to the steering wheel for a flower. I like driving it; I especially liked driving it last year after getting back from Baghdad. I always made sure the flower was in the vase.
gian
Oooh my daughter wants one of those. Did you get her the uber environmental friendly (high mpg) diesel or the uber sun friendly convertible?
Urp... I mean aren't they made by former fascists and horrible on American trade!!!!????
Anarchist political correctness is so dang tiring.
Sam Liles
Selil Blog
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The scholarship of teaching and learning results in equal hatred from latte leftists and cappuccino conservatives.
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My understanding was that you were already on the purge list. It was discussed at the last Neocon-Zionist meeting.
Last edited by SteveMetz; 01-01-2008 at 12:24 AM.
Right, Right; that is the thing that Ken White runs.
Sigh. Keeping
Colonels outa trouble is So-o-o repetitive a thing as jobs go.
No, sir, you always start off on your LEFT foot. So it's left, right...
(Unless you're in the Old Guard, they walk funny. Not to mention at my age and on a pack of Pall Malls a day, I don't run anything or anywhere if it can be avoided...
(Ron is correct, on reflection,us dinosaurs cannot be associated with any of this neo-stuff; we do Paleo and the paleo-er the better. Ergo, I have to be a PZPD -- which sounds like an old Soviet AP Mine??? ...)
We'll discuss it at the next chapter meeting of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
John Wolfsberger, Jr.
An unruffled person with some useful skills.
When I decided to use left-wing subversion as an example of 5GW, I made the assumption that most of the good folks who post here shared some common premises and historical understandings. I was wrong of course, and when I seen people talking of "McCarthyism" I had given up. I figured that there was no reason to go any further just as there would be no reason to teach calculus to those who hadn't learned the multiplication tables.
I then had a change of heart, as I could not accept the idea of otherwise well informed and objective thinkers being totally in the dark of this historical reality. It took me a while to decide how I would prepare for this lesson, but I decided on an interview with an ex-KGB officer. I think you'll find this interview to be informative and entertaining, which are two important aspects of learning new subjects.
I hope that by the end of the 3 part interview, you'll at least have some appreciation of what I'm talking about. I am familiar with the culture of this forum and will not be making a habit of discussing such things in the future.
Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UKwc...eature=related
Particurally related to 5GW is in 2/3 when he speaks of the 4 steps of subverting the nation. If you can't bring yourself to watch it all, at least watch 2/3 and think of this in terms of 5GW.
Last edited by Ratzel; 01-03-2008 at 06:17 PM.
"Politics are too important to leave to the politicians"
I'm going to do as Ken asks and simply "Move On," horrific pun sadly intended. We don't agree on this, we're not going to agree on this, so probably best for all concerned to find greener pastures.
Matt
"Give a good leader very little and he will succeed. Give a mediocrity a great deal and he will fail." - General George C. Marshall
I guess I should have just asked this in the first place. I first came across the concept of 5GW here:
http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/07...ation-war.html
Also here:http://www.dreaming5gw.com/2007/11/t...ategy.php#more
The authors' seemed to indicate that 5GW begins with some sort of conspiracy. The second article deals exclusively with left-wing 5GW strategy.
Last edited by Ratzel; 01-01-2008 at 03:59 AM.
Did you check into who the authors are? I find that's usually a good starting point. Personally, I find Dan tdaxp a little creepy to read. And there's no profile that I can find at his blog, which is never a good sign.
here is one discussion on the topic
Sam Liles
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The scholarship of teaching and learning results in equal hatred from latte leftists and cappuccino conservatives.
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JeffC wrote:
Jeff,"Did you check into who the authors are? I find that's usually a good starting point. Personally, I find Dan tdaxp a little creepy to read. And there's no profile that I can find at his blog, which is never a good sign. "
There's nothing creepy about Dan, he's a good guy - and I know him personally. He's bright with multiple advanced degrees in different fields. Dan has/had a need for a time before he was accepted into a doctoral program to be a little obscure about who he was online. Not an uncommon practice for academics or aspiring academics given that we live in the age of Google and that hiring and departmental committees usually include a couple of vindictive wack jobs. He's not alone in that; presumably "JeffC" is neither your full Christian name nor your c.v.
About the worst that can be said of Dan is that, at times, he posts things simply to get a rise out of ppl and keeps yanking their chain past the point where he should fess up that he wasn't being entirely serious.
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