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20 February AP - Blair to Announce Iraq Withdrawal Plan.
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20 February Reuters - Iraqis Take Basra Command as U.K. Plans Troop Cuts.
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Reports a Scottish paper via Iraqslogger.
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Related: Ghaith Abdul Ahad in the Guardian "Welcome to Tehran" - How Iran took control of Basra. Despite the title, the article details how Basra is up for grabs among a variety of competing Shia groups - Sadr's Mahdi Army, SIIC, Fadhila, and an array of mafia and tribal groups. |
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UK House of Commons Defence Committee, 3 Dec 07: UK Land Operations in Iraq
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On 16/1/08 The Independent (London) published an article by Kevin Myers, called Battle for hearts and minds is being won by US in Anbar:
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/co...dex=0&sort=old An interesting article which suggests that 'two British army officers serving in Baghdad, first Major General Graham Lamb, and then Major General Paul Newton, began to urge that the coalition's enemies must be made into their friends'. I recall the deputy commander was British, possibly one of these men and was reported a few months ago as being involved in direct talks with the coalitions enemies. davidbfpo |
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Interesting piece david - and that lesson has moved into Afghanistan as well (despite at least one spectacular failure). The Brits are doing some interesting work there; I wonder whether that was a British response to Karzai's efforts to bring less extreme elements of the Taleban into the fold, or whether the British have been proposing this to their allies who have subsequently found it to be worth a try.
Couple this to having US Marines, with their institutional tradition of Small Wars, in place, and it makes for a potent approach to COIN. Now if only we could have those same Marines enforcing Brit negotiating efforts in Afghanistan... |
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Published 10th March 2008, Sir Hilary Synnott’s Bad Days in Basra: My Turbulent Time As Britain’s Man in Southern Iraq (I.B. Tauris, £17.99). and several reviews on the web. This is from The Spectator (UK):
I am hugely enjoying – if that’s not too inappropriate a word – Synnott, who was our most senior representative in the Coalition Provisional Alliance in the south of the country, is refreshingly candid. "Ultimately," he admits as early as the Prologue, "the CPA (was) a failure". While the subject is of course depressing, shocking and essentially heavy-going, Synnott manages to find a lightness of touch in the telling which makes the book extremely engaging and distinguishes it from other, more relentlessly hard-going Iraq memoirs (at one point Synnott jokes that he almost considered calling his Bugger Basra!) Nevertheless there is a powerful message for the future at the book’s core; namely, that we should treat the "seductive line of argument that the Iraq experience was a worst-case anomaly… that the like will not occur again" with the utmost suspicion. In the current international climate, he argues, "it seems more, not less probable that the international community will be presented with challenges stemming from fragile states which directly or indirectly affect their interests." There is much talk of "lessons" being learnt about Iraq; but lessons, Synnott urges, once learned, must also be applied – no matter how difficult, awkward or expensive. (Let’s hope the US President elect, whoever he or she may be, is taking notes.) An eminent former High Commissioner who later assumed what he describes as a "bizarre" role, being both ambassador to the Iraqis and the Americans as well as "quasi-colonial governor of four Iraqi provinces", Sir Hilary Synnott was by all accounts one of our most important and intelligent players in post-2003 Iraq. Until now, he has kept a low profile; as we approach the fifth anniversary of the invasion and must contemplate anew the extent and intractability of that "failure", it is a timely moment indeed for his clear-eyed, powerful, and humbling account of what were, and indeed still are, turbulent times. This is a link to a longer review in The Times: http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle3465815.ece Or the Daily Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../08/do0802.xml davidbfpo Last edited by davidbfpo; 03-16-2008 at 07:58 PM. Reason: Additional materiel |
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Saw on today's Early Bird:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4461023.ece The Times August 5, 2008 Secret deal kept British Army out of battle for Basra Quote:
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So let me get this right. The UK set up a secret deal with the enemy, to prevent British casualties and then did not tell the Iraqi's or the US? ... and when our allies were under fire, they did not respond in order to support our agreement... with the enemy.
If so, the British actively colluded with terrorists, then someone needs to go to jail, or invoke "Crown Agent immunity."
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Here's BBC's take on it: link.
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If true a scandal and weakened IMO by the off-record media exposure.
Politically the UK government would not return troops to street fighting in Basra, after all we wanted out from that hellhole; yes, one we helped make it that. How the UK government managed to hide the alleged agreement and related decisions from our closest ally is unclear. Murky. How this story resonates here is unclear, maybe I will comment another day. Here is the comment in The Daily Telegraph, with HMG and Opposition comments: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-in-Basra.html davidbfpo Last edited by davidbfpo; 08-05-2008 at 08:49 PM. Reason: Add newspaper link. |
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six months ago in the media. I didn't think much about it at the time because that's been a British (and others, including us [rarely] and the French and Germans [frequently].) technique for many score years -- and allegedly MI6 / SIS or whoever they are today had just done the same thing not long before in Helmand, Afghanistan.
My recollection in the latter case is that Dan McNeill blew the whistle on the deal... |
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If true, a perfect example of field commanders findings themselves having to look over their shoulder because their Government has no real will to win the war, just to appear to fall into line with U.S. policy.
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I started a SWJ Blog roundup post and will keep it updated as more of this story unfolds.
Patmc - I stole your title - thanks and a hat tip.
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The effect of British policy on Iraqi public opinion should be considered too. If the following quote from a TimesOnLine story is in any way typical of that opinion, the policy has been a disaster.
'He had less of a glowing impression of the British military, which had control of security in Basra from March 2003 until December 2007, a period that saw the al-Mehdi Army militia grow in strength and influence. "British forces did not make an impression on the people of Basra. They let the militia control the city and stayed away from events." Ms Ali was also unimpressed, describing the British troops as lodgers. "As we know, people who rent stay away from trouble even if it is harming the house he has rented," she said. "In my personal opinion, although I have no expertise, the US forces always want to appear strong and able to succeed in any battle. They will never allow militias to ruin the reputation of the US army."'
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That is, when policy is not "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil"? carl wrote: Quote:
- Oh wait, at least the Brits paid for that priviledge in Basra. Seems to have had almost the same result though - I still doubt the Redcoats would be overly welcome in Boston, and it's been more than 200 years...
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"I still doubt the Redcoats would be overly welcome in Boston, and it's been more than 200 years...
"Oh, I don't know. As long as they didn't wear a uniform on St. Patrick's Day I think they would ok. In any event, New York is just down the road and Royal Navy sailors thought that was a great liberty port in WWII.
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I can't believe any element of the UK power structure would be this stupid! The IRA "cease fire" was crafted under some very specific ROE and communication channels, including entities known for over 20 years, who spoke English!! Plus the British Army retained complete freedom of action to ensure local security and HM Governance - not what happened in Basra, which was basically surrender, if the press stories are accurate! ...and I am just dreading having to sit down with the "local" military thinkers and theorists next week. I got enough flak over the Royal Navy hostages.
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