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As a big time audio-phile i was the goto guy for music in theatre, I had two major playlists for everyone, one was lots of heavy industrial, punk, and metal most guys would listen to that prior to heading out and the other was chillout electronica and trance that most listened to when they came back to settle the nerves a bit. I usually ran an Ipod through a FM transmitter to listen to stuff in my NTV, and did have a few very intense short playlists that we utilized during pre-dawn raids, played extremely loud through the PSYOPS guys speakers on their gun truck. If your interested i can email you these playlists.
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Carleton University
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I recall my days along the MDL attempting to sleep as the North Korean loudspeakers blared their propaganda at all hours. Not one hint of music (unless you just got into that whining sound).
I reckon folks subjected to our PSYOPS had/have the same opinion, or, like most of us in Korea, it later merely lulled you into a deep sleep and literally became a routine.
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Some huge differences between today and the early to mid 1960s where protest became inflamed across the United States is the baby-boomer bump, is today the millennial slump. The culture of the beatniks was appropriated in many ways by the boomers and became protest movements centered around desegregation, civil rights, anti-war, the draft, corporatism, environment, and drug culture. As the boomers dropped out in the 70s they had way less kids, and the culture of protest became wars on poverty, crime, terrorism. Not all the boomers gave in, gave up, or quit. The huge numbers though did and left shells of organizations that have no where near the power of persuasion.
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maybe its just the complete lack of intyerest from most of the population.
There seems to be more "anti-war" (probably better described as anti-Bush) songs coming out. This recent one from Linkin Park is a good starter and has resonated very well with guys heading back on their second or third tour (or even fourth or fifth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=573ffZPcm88 (with lyrics)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwAGc...eature=related (with film clip)
Green Day has a good shot at a recruiting program that offers a better start for young families with a mix of patriotism and machoness and then send them to Iraq for 12-15 months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLjhRtn9j4A
Of course they aslo got in the act with U2 after Katrina and asked why the military was in Iraq when it should have been assiting in NO with "the Saints are coming"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGhTWE98DU
System of a down asks who is actually doing the fighting with B.Y.O.B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ5Tp97UgyQ
a bit different but the IO/PSYOP guy in me loves the words of Faithless' Weapons of Mass destruction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-MfC...eature=related
I wonder how much the "perpetual, commercialized revolution/statement" has to do with it as well. By that I mean the "look at me...I've got tats and studs in my lip...I'm protesting society" thing that has become so commonplace that it often has no real meaning.
Both the beats and the hippie-type movements stood out because they were considered so far from mainstream. Now that we have MTV, the various ESPNs, Goth clubs, tat sleeves, and other assorted commercial expressions of rebellion, the actual passion may have faded into the background. Blending in with a group and mastering that quizzical facial expression that seems to represent concern, disgust, or simply smelling a bad odor seems to be more important.
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Hi Spud,
Thanks for these. I think you're correct in saying it's not so much anti-war as anti-Bush. All of them seem to have an ironic twist to them that seems to be repeating some major themes - (anti-)globalization, the "poor" being sent to fight, manipulation by the elites, and an almost "doomed" pride.
I've listened to this one twice now and if it is resonating "with guys heading back on their second or third tour (or even fourth or fifth)" that tells me a lot .
That is a brilliant song - in the sense of using music and emotions to ask questions.
I can see why! "Fear is a weapon of mass destruction"; yeah...
There's an interesting difference I'm starting to pick up on which is that, unlike the anti-war songs of the 60's, these songs are not attacking the soldiers but, rather, the "system" (actually the social structures of the inter-social system).
Sic Bisquitus Disintegrat...
Marc W.D. Tyrrell, Ph.D.
Institute of Interdisciplinary Studies,
Senior Research Fellow,
The Canadian Centre for Intelligence and Security Studies, NPSIA
Carleton University
http://marctyrrell.com/
Hi Steve,
Listening (and watching) the songs Spud just posted makes me wonder about that. Let me go off on a bit of a tangent for a minute to contextualize where my thinking is....
The late 60's-early '70's saw the death of he post-War compromise in employment practices, and the final nails were driven into the coffin of that type of social organization by the mid-80's at least in Canada). As a general rule, employment, including hiring practices, job search strategies, etc, moved out of an Authority Ranking (AR) system and into an Equality Matching (EM; aka reciprocity) system. You get jobs, or employees, mainly via personal networks even if the formal system is AR.
This trend away from AR and towards EM as dominant forms of social relationships has been accelerated by the development of fragmented, contingent communities brought together via various 'net based apps, and really pushed since the deployment of Net 2.0 and 2.5 technologies. Each of these contingent communities, while smaller that more "traditional" AR communities, is more specialized and much more flexible and adaptive (SWC is a good example of this type of community). Put simply, an individual can access better resources faster though them than through AR communities which means that individuals come to "trust" them more than AR communities.
In some ways, you're absolutely right that small counter-culture communities have been institutionalized and commercialized, but that very institutionalization and commercialization has served to reduce overall trust (and interest) in the larger AR communities (such as governments). When everyone "knows" (by personal experience) how strong personal networks and contingent communities are, they will start loking at the AR communities, like governments, and asking "who benefits? and "who pays?". Those are the types of tings I was seeing in the songs Spud posted.
Of course, I could be totally out to lunch on this , but it does seem to make sense.
Marc
Sic Bisquitus Disintegrat...
Marc W.D. Tyrrell, Ph.D.
Institute of Interdisciplinary Studies,
Senior Research Fellow,
The Canadian Centre for Intelligence and Security Studies, NPSIA
Carleton University
http://marctyrrell.com/
Leonard Cohen's "Everybody Knows" lyrics seem apropos here. (I'm partial to the 1990 version by Concrete Blonde from "Pump up the Volume.")
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows that the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight is fixed
The poor stay poor and the rich get rich
Thats how it goes
Everybody knows that the boat is sinking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybodys got this broken feeling
Like their momma or there dog just died
Everybodys hands are in their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long stem rose
Everybody knows
Everybody knows
Everybody knows
Thats how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that its now or never
Everybody knows that its me or you
Everybody knows that you live forever
When you had a line or two
Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old black joe still pickin cotton
For ribbons and bows
Everybody knows you love me baby
Everybody knows that you really do
Everybody knows that you been faithful
Give or take a night or two
Everybody knows you been discrete
So many people you had to meet
Without your clothes
And everybody knows
This is for everyone that sent me PM's for the playlists, I'm working on it now to make it a bit easier to understand, i'll have it done in the next few days and send it out to everyone that is interested.
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Sic Bisquitus Disintegrat...
Marc W.D. Tyrrell, Ph.D.
Institute of Interdisciplinary Studies,
Senior Research Fellow,
The Canadian Centre for Intelligence and Security Studies, NPSIA
Carleton University
http://marctyrrell.com/
its quite large, i'll try and post a link to it.
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Niki Barr has been on several USO tours of both theatres. She's just written track in support of the Marines she spent time with.
http://www.nikibarr.com/music/?id=9
Play track 1 - Undivided
Lyrics
sure beats listening to that bloody over-played Toby Keith piece of crap ... American Soldier. Anyone that tells you PSYOP loudspeaker ops have no effect just need to tune into AFR ... I'm betting this is still on high rotation even though it is permanently imprinted on everyone's mind.Undivided
This is the point of no return
This is where you show what you’re worth
This is where we make their heads turn
This is where somebody gets hurt
This marks the place where you show no tears
Anticipating the end is near
This time you’re ok, the coast is clear
No, you can't ever show any fear because
We are the strong
You can't hold our backs to the wall
Undivided we stand
Undivided we fall
Undivided we stand
Undivided... or we’re nothing at all
This is where you get what you earn
So don’t forget what you have learned
This is where reality turns
And this is how good men get burned
Holding the lines through the rain and fire
Shoulder to shoulder we'll never tire
We keep moving forward, a thousand miles
Cuz this is how we build an empire
We stand our ground
We watch them all fall down
I know a bunch of people for whom "Voodoo Chile" by Jimi is required listening as they roll out, ever since the roll-out scene in BlackHawk Down.
If you want a good video of more contemporary music/action, check out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpVXE95rijI
For some hot tankin' action.
Brant
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Can heavy metal music help transform the Middle East?
Includes youtube videos.Originally Posted by slate.com
Israel has a thriving music industry, and some of it from Arab Israelis. DAM being the best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIo6lyP9tTE
Ha Dag Nacash, are a "Zionist" Hip Hop band - seen then live. Excellent!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeHO4lDxJ54
...and Terry Poison are some white girls, from Jerusalem
http://www.terrypoison.com/
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- If we can double the ratio of kills per contact, we will soon put an end to the shooting in Malaya.
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"On the plains and mountains of the American West, the United States Army had once learned everything there was to learn about hit-and-run tactics and guerrilla warfare."
T.R. Fehrenbach This Kind of War
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