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The Market Will Punish Putinism By JUDY SHELTON September 3, 2008; Page A23 http://online.wsj.com/public/article...604792875.html |
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Hey Kaur !
From an economist's standpoint, all 10 of these "reasons" appear logical. But, in an abnormal place like Russia... what exactly is then normal or logical? We have seen so many examples of "rock bottom" and yet 10 years later, still not hitting rock bottom. In the end, Russia's resources won't save the country, but going back to the Red Army days will. Putin is old school and intent on surviving, and President Medvedev would rather step down than piss off Vlad. They've demonstrated just how easy it would be to return to yesteryear, and the majority of the older population is already begging for a return. How's life in you neck of the woods? Terv, Stan
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It's going to turn into a really wild ride, because so many of the past investors in Russia aren't just pulling out all the stops to extract their Russian investments, but even maintenance credit flow into Russia is just flat out evaporating. Russia is all of the sudden coming across as an investment of last, worst resort - and that's only if you are ready to lose 100% of your capital. If "preservation of capital" is a primary goal, Russia is fast getting a reputation as a place to avoid.
And this isn't being driven by Western governments either - this is virtually all market driven. It certainly isn't helping any that the liquidity crisis in Western financial markets is happening, because much of that capital coming out of Russia, or not being invested there, is instead going into recapitalizing Western financial institutions. They (the money people) think the money is safer going into Western financial institutions, rather than into the Russian economy. Not sure I'd necessarily agree with that (I'd be looking hard for "Door Number 3", personally), but it's their money. And with oil heading down to the $100 a Bbl. basis, even more of an impact. One of the real tipoffs on how Russian business is going are the occupancy levels at Moscow area hotels. Prior to Georgia, the higher end Moscow area hotels were booked solid, right at/around 100% of the listed price (literally for months). If you were spending an extended period of time in Russia, it was easier and less expensive to rent than get extended hotel stays. Article on the Russian Hospitality Market Let's just say that Western hotel expansion plans for Russia have hit a very abrupt wall, in the financing area. Rule 1: Do not go out of your way to make the capital markets skittish - there's a lesson here for a lot of nations, including the US. |
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FIIA, 1 Sep 08: The Sustainability of Russia's Resurgence
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I did my small part to help out the Russian economy. I bought a really cool knife made in Zlatoust. The sheath was cheap but the knife is of excellent quality and steel. It's a monster. The sheath in the picture was custom made by Bluff Creek Outfitters in Texas. That is an 8.4" blade. Russian knives made and sold be real Russians!
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Putin And Gazprom
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What's even more interesting is Russia's "breakeven point" on oil prices. They don't get top dollar for their crude (it's not "sweet" enough), so their overall 'bundle' price is likely under $100 a Bbl., and their "break even price" is probably above $60 a Bbl. by now, so they don't have enough to go around (increasing consumer spending, increased government spending, and greatly reduced access to external capital), with the result that spending on infrastructure has to stagnate, because there's just not enough capital - they will be tapped out. And if oil production falls, which appears to be happening, they'll be in a world of serious hurt. The marketplace is extremely unforgiving, particularly these days. Ask yourself a question - Putin is one very, very smart operator. Methinks he can do the math as well as anybody, and better than most. He's got a society which has a full stomach of rising economic expectations, and so far the meal's been pretty good. Now they are expecting the main course - where's it going to come from? Maybe his "stepping down" was a classic example of being "Time to get out when the getting's good." Thoughts? |
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No wonder Western investors (like BP) are moving their money out of Russian investments. The numbers tell you that it's pretty obvious who's next in line to be clipped. |
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Wow. The investor class in the Russian markets (limited as it is) just moved "en masse" to the exits. No doubt about this one. And the biggest problem is that the Russian government's got no cards to throw out there, because nobody trusts them. And for a bigger hit, oil prices today (Light, sweet crude for October, 2008 delivery settled at $91.15 a Bbl.), with Ural crude normally running $4-6 a Bbl. cheaper, so Russia's getting close to facing some serious economic problems. Right about now, Russia should contact the Western powers and tell them that for $300 billion, continued G8 membership, and guaranteed WTO membership in 2 years, they'll pull totally out of Georgia (including the 2 disputed provinces) and sign a ten (10) year peace treaty type deal with Georgia, and for that matter, the Ukraine also. For Russia, this type of deal (a) Gets you additional financial resources before you actually hit crisis time; (b) Get both territorial issues out of your hair - they are costing you scarce resources you don't have to spare; & (c) Re-creates a working geopolitical and economic environment and gets you out of this "Mexican Standoff" environment you are in right now. Will this cause political problems at home - you bet, but guess what, you're already there. Now's the time to get creative, because if you are Russia, your biggest threat you have to deal with is that there is a complete lack of both confidence and trust on any basis at all. Your neighbors, business partners, the markets, and virtually all other nations - virtually nobody's in your corner. You've got to get them back, and the longer you wait, the deal's only going to get you less. There's a lesson to be learned from Lehman Brothers - don't wait, tomorrow it will only get worse, and the deal gets worse. Ok, this is my "Hopelessly Optimistic" post of the day.
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All 10 of those reasons are explanations for why Russia will not restore its former stature as a great power through economic growth. While some of those issues are pertinent to Russia's current strategy, I think the big picture concept is off base. Russia is not attempting to embark upon economic revitalization. Russia is seeking to regain power and reassert itself. Economic growth is one way to do that, but Russia knows that such a strategy will not work due to its corruption and negative population growth. That is why it is attempting to grab resources, assert influence in the Caspian, and establish relations with countries like Iran. It needs streams of income from petrodollars, from countries who will give economic assistance in return for security assistance, and to blackmail other countries over issues like gas pipelines and waterways.
Russia is a country that thinks it SHOULD be great, but it isn't. That is frustrating. It WANTS to be great, but won't be and can't be so long as it suffers from negative population growth. They know the clock is ticking. Because of Russia's negative population growth and the primitiveness of its institutions, the tried and true method of restoring a country's economic health is not compatible with achieving great power status in this generation. It only has the time and resources to do one or the other. It can reform or it can gamble on a belligerent foreign policy to try to rewin its perceived rightful place in the world. So what to do? Fearing that negative population growth will win out before education of its people and reform of its primitive institutions can run their courses, it apparently is opting to go all-in with a belligerent foreign policy designed to stoke nationalist sentiment through regain of lost satellite countries and to fund the state with the capture of natural resources, influence over strategic corridors, and relations with rogue states who need Russian assistance. This is a desperate, cornered animal that will one day lash out when its gambles inevitably fail to pay off. The sad thing is that we have no incentive to help Russia succeed in its current misguided course and we also have no incentive to hasten its disintegration because we're not ready to deal with that many loose nukes. Contrary to the view that we are making Russia feel corned by way of NATO expansion, Russia is making itself feel cornered by not facing up the reality of its lost superpower status. Russia sees its current mediocre status as the walls closing in around it, rather than recognizing that the size of the room hasn't changed - it's just that the country's stature is shrinking. It's no longer an enigma in a riddle or vice versa. It's just a giant delusion with a lot of nukes and some leaders with a taste for imprudent risks and brinksmanship. The more willing (NATO) allies and the better (SDI) defenses we have prepared, the better off we will be when this time bomb finally detonates. |
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Vlad says he's going to increase the Russian Defense budget by 27% next year. Deja vu all over again indeed...
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'Worst Is Yet To Come' For Russian Financial Sector
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Wow. Just read today about how Slovakia is jumping into bed with one of the fat boys . It appears to be a fairly desperate move by the Slovakian govt to avoid getting gas from Ukraine. Ukraine really blew it recently with their recent actions and now it looks like they may pay a heavy price.
I've seen speculation that Ukraine could be next in line for a little Russian aggression. Russian interests have been buying up Crimea. If Russia actually took back Crimea, the Russian population would be supportive. they think it's theirs, anyway. |
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![]() Eric, does The Ukraine still produce military arms and supplies and compete with the Russian industry? Jeez, hope they don't need gas to produce that Sierra !
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I don't know to what extent Ukraine competes with Russia on military arms and supplies that they produce in Ukraine. They do compete in the global arms market and as you know, it's big business.
How many MANPADS does a million $ buy? As for the economic desperation in Russia, it is also happening in Ukraine. Ukrainians are slow to protest, unless paid and organized to do so, but there are plenty in Ukraine who would benefit from this discontent. In Russia, it seems less straightforward as the opposition doesn't seem to have much room to maneuver. |
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I recall more than 30% GNP was dedicated to defense, but for the purposes of selling, not remotely interested in defending the Mother Land !There are literally hundreds of sites regarding this, although none go right out with a price per "article". The going price (backwards that is) is a cool M for at least three each. The offer BTW still stands I am told. Some links to ponder (light reading if you will )MANPADS duties Do a little digging - you'll get there Support Anti-Terrorism This one leads to just about anywhere Quote:
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