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The following is a thesis-in-progress I have for my national security course I'm taking through AMU. The paper is to be between 15-20 pages. As always, the community's commentary is welcome.
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Interesting approach AP. Is this the AMU thesis or a paper for an AMU course (and which one if I may ask)?
There is much evidence for all the points you raise in both the IR and Am Politics literature with the exception of the isolation of the national security elite. There, the evidence cuts both in favor and against. After all, it was popular as well as elite opinion that forece the end of the American committment in Vietnam and almost derailed the "surge." So, you have a first task of operationally defining "isolation of the national security elite" in such a way that it can be empirically tested. Then you need to test the validity of your construct. After tha, you can proceed with the rest of your research. Sounds like fun! ![]() Cheers JohnT |
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Rather than coining a new term (a practice that can lead to a ton of "What do you mean?" type-questions that distract the reader), may I suggest that there may be established scholars who have a similar interpretative approaches and that you might be able to use their works to your benefit. Within the historiography of American foreign relations, there's an established (and controversial) trajectory of inquiry that emphasizes the themes you present in your brief overview. A profitable starting point may be Walter LaFeber's The New Empire: An Interpretation of American Expansion, 1860-1898 (ISBN 13: 9780801485954). If you do consult LaFeber, you might also profit from a contrasting view offered in James A. Field, "American Imperialism: The Worst Chapter in Almost Any Book," American Historical Review 83 (June 1978): 644-668. Note that Field's article is part of an AHR forum that includes comments by LaFeber. To be clear, I'm not suggesting you go on an Easter egg hunt on my say so. I'm just suggesting that there may be published works that can spare you from re-inventing wheels that are already on the road. HTH.
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suggestion and whether you accept or reject it let your prof know it was considered. Still, remember that your field is closer to political science than it is to history and what you propose is well within the acceptable approaches to the field.
Thank you for clarifying elite isolation. But you still haven't defined it in operational terms. Or, if you have, then you are excluding the reportes and columnists of the NYT, WP, WSJ and other national media including such new ones as blogs like SWJ. Do you mean to exclued all of this? If not, then how are you defining elite? What I am saying is that there are research and analysis implications to how you define your terms and the problem. Cheers JohnT PS email or PM me with who is teaching the course - just curious. |
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I don't want to rain on your parade too much, but there is a fairly large body of scholarship along these lines already, especially in political science. That is not to say that you cannot put this in a framework that is completely valuable and unique, but you need to do an extensive literature review. You don't want to accidentally plagiarize someone else's already published idea. The person who first comes to mind is Bruce Bueno de Mesquita, who is more famous for his predictive algorithms, and game theory, but who also predicates all of his work on the idea that it is individuals within governments who are seeking their own interests that decide policy. If you know the literature well, you will write a much better thesis regardless of what topic you choose. THere is a lot to be said for bringing two areas of scholarship into dialogue with each other, as well.
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AmericanPride:
You might want to take a look at the following for domestic politics and coalitions in the making of foreign policy. 1) Jack Snyder, Myths of Empire 2) Peter Trubowitz, Defining the National Interest 3) Kevin Narizny, The Political Economy of Grand Strategy I *might* (or might not) also take a look at Robert Keohane and Judith Goldstein, Ideas and Foreign Policy. To the extent you're looking at how civil-military relations influences (or influenced) policy choices, you *might* (or might not) also take a look at Risa Brooks, Shaping Strategy. Best OC |
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The insulation of the national security establishment from the American public
conjoined with as well as competition among factions within the body politic 1) If the national security establishment is insulated from the American public/body politic, then competition within factions (parties, classes, groups?) really shouldn't impact the national security establishment, should it? I'd think in terms of mass/elite models of decision-making. I think a literature review of, say, the American Political Science Review or American Journal of Political Science would cover (or maybe not) whether such a distinction is valid. ensures that grand strategy decisions will be made within the context of domestic power politics what does "within the context of domestic power politics" mean? Again, how can that be the case if the national security establishment is "insulated?" Finally, can grand strategy decisions ever be made *outside* the context of domestic power politics? and for the benefit of the victor in such struggles. as opposed to the benefit of the loser? :-) My question would be, and I think I'm echoing John Fishel here: is this an exploratory hypothesis, meant to be tested, or something you've decided is the case, and have decided to document? I hope that doesn't come off as too mean, but I'd ponder it a bit. OC |
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So, in essence, what you are talking about are hegemonic blocs (or blocco storico in Gramsci's original formulation). I am afraid that I concur with most of the above comments regarding the fact that arguments along the lines proposed by you above have been made already. For an approach that explicitly uses Gramscian ideas see R. W. Cox's magisterial, Production, Power and World Order: Social Forces in the Making of History (methodologically the approach is best described as International Political Economy with an admixture of other means). Alternatively see his shorter articles in Approaches to World Order one of which, the title momentarily escapes me, explained the factional/bloc/elite approach as developed by Gramsci. Good luck nonetheless.
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If I may offer up some more unsolicited advice, it seems that you actually have a pretty good opening here, although perhaps not what you originally thought. Although most people are saying that this topic has been done already, they are all pointing to different traditions. I brought up the considerations from an IR perspective, but I am seeing references to (I believe) anthropology, and comparative politics. If you could just sync up those different views you would have a great paper. If you synced them and clarify them, you would be even better.
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I agree with Abu S.; I think you're on track for a good paper. However,
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Hi JW,
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How are you defining "fairly restricted (in terms of access)"? ie what do you mean?
Note that I always take you seriously but here I just don't quite see where you are coming from so I can neither agree nor disagree with you. ![]() Cheers JohnT |
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You'll be happy (or not!
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Hi AP,
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