He refers to the greater susceptibility of small calibre bullets to deflection by foliage/grass.
The effect is on the order of a few degrees usually. Deflections on a steep angle up are usually the result of contact with the ground itself, of course.
deerhunter
ballistics
small=straighter
every deer hunter knows these things
can i hit what i am aiming at with little training? yes
5.56 is good
Elk Hunter
Big is shock.
A lot of training is always better than a little.
5.56 is good, light and easy to carry and shoot. However, I've seen too many people hit with the little pills who keep on moving, too many bullets not penetrate minor cover and too many rounds deflected in moderate vegetation to agree that 5.56 is a good combat cartridge.
45
Shock is at least as critical in handguns if not more and I still dont have a .45Anyone would have more luck moving that argument than the 30-06 v .223
carl, Fuchs and Ken White explained my point.
It seems that calibre debate is not over.
Mattis pushed for 6.8mm ammo
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news..._ammo_031010w/
... and I don't understand fully (foliage, ground, wall? aspects) this argument
after watching this youtube video.Does that mean that 7.62 rounds don’t have sufficient stopping power?” Brogan asked about Kasal’s actions. “I submit the answer is no. If there had been a central-nervous shot, it might have dropped him. The same is true with 5.56 ammunition. Location is more important than stopping power.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzIOa...eature=related
Why some people want .45 pistols when they can get hollow point 9 mm ammo?
http://pistol-training.com/archives/2436
...because there's .45ACP hollow point ammo as well.
Terminal ballistics are very complicated, a discussion rarely makes sense because most often most participants know misleading anecdotes and myths while the hard facts are based on imperfect data and testing devices.
(I know you guys are having fun, but you do realize this is like debating about Ford Trucks vs Chevy Trucks; or the virtues of Blondes vs. Brunettes, right?)
Robert C. Jones
Intellectus Supra Scientia
(Understanding is more important than Knowledge)
"The modern COIN mindset is when one arrogantly goes to some foreign land and attempts to make those who live there a lesser version of one's self. The FID mindset is when one humbly goes to some foreign land and seeks first to understand, and then to help in some small way for those who live there to be the best version of their own self." Colonel Robert C. Jones, US Army Special Forces (Retired)
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It's more critical. Apparently, no one is having any luck moving either argument...Originally Posted by OfTheTroops
Shock is at least as critical in handguns if not more and I still dont have a .45
Kaur: Purely anecdotally, the 7.62x39 is a better cartridge in vegetation than the 5.56x45; penetration and disabling varies. Both are IMO a little weak for a combat cartridge. The .30-06 is overkill and even the 7.62x45 is also a little more than is needed; the two most common are a little less than is desirable IMO. The various 6 - 6+ mm types may have some merit. No test is likely to prove that, combat has a way of overturning test results.
Fuchs: True but the scientific method founders on shooting people -- or even pigs whose body parts are quite close to human densities -- though we did do that in the Troop Test of the AR-25 back in the early 60s before the western world got excessively touchy feely.
Bob's World: Also true but typically, a person will pick one or the other and will then fight you if you tell him or her they bought a bad truck and the other is better. It all boils down in a sense to personal foibles, likes and dislike and what one is familiar with -- which does not make it unimportant...
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