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Was a separate thread and merged today Last edited by davidbfpo; 08-31-2012 at 10:14 AM. Reason: Mods note added |
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On the same vein, I really liked Lt. Col. Reid Daly's book on the Selous Scouts and Barbara Cole wrote an excellent book on the Rhodesian SAS.
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Does anyone have any good references for research. on Rhodesian Fire Force Units from this conflict. Found a Rhodesian COIN Manual, but any papers I would be highly interested in.
Thanks Last edited by sgmgrumpy; 07-06-2006 at 03:31 PM. Reason: fatfingers |
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sgmgrumpy,
I have quite a few documents, although most were pulled from these links: http://www.rhodesia.nl/rhomil.htm http://www.rhodesianforces.org/Pages...competence.htm I have a couple other documents given to me by Mr. Charles Melsom of the Marine Corps History Division. PM me with a snail mail address and I can provide copies. S/F, JC |
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I will be sending two documents to sgmgrumpy. One is a visualization of Fireforce tactics given to me by Chuck Melsom (another Rhodesian military follower) of the History and Museums division. The second is a copy of an external operation OPORD. It is similar to the basic SMEAC format, but the coordinating instructions are a gem because there is insight into how the
Rhodies thought and planned. I only have them hardcopy now, but intend to scan and build into a .pdf. PM me if you'd like a copy. |
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If there are no copyright restrictions I will post the docs to the SWJ Library.
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Here is a link to download an out of print book from the Institute for Security Studies in South Africa
http://www.iss.co.za/index.php?link_...e=12&tmpl_id=3 Just found it so I can't comment on it. Best Tom |
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SWJED posted that in an earlier thread, and it is a really good reference. Although Covos Day is the publisher, the OPORD (in an annex) might not be copyrighted. I will investigate a bit.
And before I forget, one of the comprehensive Fireforce references is a book called The Chopper Boys: Helicopter Warfare in Africa by A.J. Venter. ALthough much of it is anecdotal, is as current as Somalia, and the Rhodie part is similar to previously published J.R.T. Wood material, it is a rich book that I consider a prize on my bookshelf. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/185...lance&n=283155 Last edited by jcustis; 07-06-2006 at 10:52 PM. |
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jcustis, If Charles Melsom is the same guy I think he is, he helped me on a close combat project I was working on for LE officers. Dealt with point shooting and other hand to hand combat. He is an expert in the USMC contibution in this area all the way back to China Marines and what they learned. At the time he was a major about to retire. Wrote a couple of very good books if he is the same guy. I wondered what happened to him. This is very strange if this is the same guy. I was ambushed by a stalker at my home some years ago and I survived based upon some of his research. my experience is know taught at some police officer survival courses. If this is the same guy I would really like to contact him about this. Can you help??
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I just looked at the documents, and the last name is actually Melson, and his bio is here: http://www.nps.gov/wapa/indepth/extC...21-00/sec5.htm
If he's the gentleman you're looking for, I can work the connections. |
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One of the best primary sources I've read on the Rhodesian Light Infantry. This book is worth reading and rereading. I thought it was particularly interesting how all their vehciles were designed to survive mine explosions, and this was back in 1979.
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That was where I was going to share the op order with sgmgrumpy. Great book.
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It is him! I have 2 books by him and I compared author photos to his Bio picture. I just cannot believe this. Without boring you of the details I had been to many Army sources with no help at all, so I told it to the Marines and it worked out great. I actually ended up getting a copy of a declassified OSS training film from some connections he gave me. Anyway I guess we should do the PM thing so as not to disrupt the discussion. Thanks so much for your help.
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Thanks for all the help.
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I sent the docs off to you sgmgrumpy. For the fireforce material, I am working on getting them into a .pdf.
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Can any one point in the direction of a Rhodesian COIN manual available for download?
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I believe this should help.
http://members.tripod.com/selousscou...oin_manual.htm I'll try again. If this doesn't work, here is the external link to the book. Need Adobe Acrobat reader. http://www.iss.co.za/pubs/Books/rhodesia/Contents.htm - Cached Last edited by Jedburgh; 08-25-2006 at 08:19 PM. |
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To clarify, those links are to two different documents. The Cilliers book is a recap of sorts, while the material from the Selous Scouts page is the Anti-Terrorist Operations (ATOPS) manual. Two different documents altogether.
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A student paper from last year's Key Strategic Issues List:
The Rhodesian Insurgency: A Failure of Regional Politics Quote:
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The Rhodesian armed forces were tactically superior to their enemies and yet today Rhodesia is no more.
Seems like the lesson is that good tactics usually can't compensate for poor strategy in the long run; and, like it or not, strategy is sometimes more political than military. Are we seeing a repeat of that in the middle east? |
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