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Old 10-07-2009   #1
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Thankfully our leaders have realized that leaving Afghanistan would not only be a bad idea now, but also produce reputation problems in the future should we decide to participate in another small war. Leaving now would only embolden any future ďfreedom fightersĒÖ the SAS have the motto right.
I propose a new strategy, not just ďlets surge some forces and throw in some interagency for good measureĒ. We need to radically change our ideas about what will work in Afghanistan. The Karazi democracy idea is so G.W.

Letís stop pretending that the Afghans desire western democracy, many of the older folks there canít remember a good central government and the younger ones know nothing but religious extremism, and tribal warlords.

To frame this problem, letís look at our Iraq strategy. In Iraq we have Kurds, Suni, Shia thee distinct ethnic populations with numerous tribal affiliations. Prior to our invasion a central government was the norm, (good is a matter of opinion) strong and stable, bellicose, but a central government none the less. The Iraqi people were used to this; many grew up with it, and most were able to operate within it. We realized that the strong central government resided mainly in Baghdad and therefore this should be the place that US forces, secure, support, leverage. We needed to increase the countyís reliance on their central government to ensure its legitimacy.

Afghanistan, when was the last time there was a stable strong central government, the 70s? The centers of power and influence are not in the government but within the tribal and ethnic leaders. The tribal and ethnic boundaries generally donít line up with our maps and thatís ok. We need to find the Afghan centers of power and leverage them, support them, finance them, to help solve Afghanistanís problems, and create stability. We need to stop trying to induce western values, morals and standards on a people that are so different then us. So letís pick a few across the tribal/ethnic spectrum that we think are competent, generally moral, have a desire for stability and begin supporting them. Letís leverage them to act as the governing bodies of Afghanistan. Lets help these ethnic and tribal leaders create a semi-federation whereby the tribes will govern themselves, we are not going to separate the intertwined religious, cultural and ethnic beliefs of a people, especially the ones in the hinterlands. The Afghans are accustomed to tribal hierarchy, a western style democracy not so much.
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I am very intrigued by Major Mehar Omar Khanís article:
http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/200...proach-for-af/
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Are you suggesting that we pick a few tribes that we like/favour based on our ideas of competence and morality, and that we support them? What if the tribes that we select donít like each other? What if the ones we donít select donít like them either? It would appear to me that this has a potential to create more instability than it is ever likely to solve. I donít think that we should be seen to be selective and to favour one over the other.

The title of your post probably already suggests the difficulty of your suggestions:

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Kiwi,
Your Christopher Columbus quote says it all.
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Kiwi,
Your Christopher Columbus quote says it all.
Ö..Iíll ponder that.

I forgot to say welcome to SWC, so, welcome to SWC.
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Thanks Brother. Love the all blacks!
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