I'm not surprised. This cycle has been going on over a year. I'll be surprised if Putin admits that his people hit the plane, like he admitted lately that his men annexed Crimea.
kaur--about 30 minutes after the Russian report hit the social media---bellingcat and others already questioned the validity of the missile launch site as being wrong and the angle of the fired missile was wrong and today it appears they were right.Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
So yes at least Russia admitted now to a BUK having been fired--BUT they have shifted back to the original Ukrainian alleged BUK as being responsible which was also debunked months ago.
What is interesting is to watch US media journalists parrot the Russian release and then in the same breath actually allude to "well just maybe" it could have been the Ukrainians. US journalists are getting rather sloppy with their work.
Eliot Higgins @EliotHiggins
Looks like there's more and more evidence that the claimed launch area in the leaked Russian MH17 report is false
Eliot Higgins @EliotHiggins
Russian engineers’ report on MH17 crash ‘based on fake photos from Russian General Staff’ http://www.unian.info/war/1075119-ru...ral-staff.html
Russian aviation expert Lukashevich debunks MH17 "leaked expert report": damage patterns don't match presented claims http://www.buran.ru/MH17/ng.jpg
A little review of RU claims about #MH17. :-D pic.twitter.com/cVQduMCwd4
Last edited by davidbfpo; 05-07-2015 at 10:57 AM.
I'm not surprised. This cycle has been going on over a year. I'll be surprised if Putin admits that his people hit the plane, like he admitted lately that his men annexed Crimea.
kaur--you will recognize this UK journalist--note the date of his shot down comments--he was in the Ukraine with the mercenaries at the time of the shot down and was on the actual site filming a number of times.
3 Mar
Graham W Phillips @GrahamWP_UK
All rational #MH17 evidence points to the conclusion - the plane was shot down either by one, or two Ukrainian fighter jets.
Canadian radio station about Anatoly Shariy,(runaway Ukrainian journalist who constantly makes fun of Ukrainian media scammers) an interview with him included:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQWhsZJ4bRk
Hilarious commentary at 2:50 "Is he a dissident voice or pro-Russian voice?"
as if being critical of current Ukrainian regime inevitably makes a person pro-Russian. What kind of political mindset makes such conclusion possible? Or is it just Western media bias and propaganda effect?
Last edited by mirhond; 05-10-2015 at 12:27 AM.
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
comrade mirhond---noticed he was able to travel and park himself in a mainly pro Ukrainian country call Canada where one of the largest Ukrainian immigrant groups resides--how authentic is the critic if he sits nice and snug in a coffee shop in Canada--come on mirhond find a better "narrative"Canadian radio station about Anatoly Shariy,(runaway Ukrainian journalist who constantly makes fun of Ukrainian media scammers) an interview with him included:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQWhsZJ4bRk
Hilarious commentary at 2:50 "Is he a dissident voice or pro-Russian voice?"
as if being critical of current Ukrainian regime inevitably makes a person pro-Russian. What kind of political mindset makes such conclusion possible? Or is it just Western media bias and propaganda effect?
BUT here though is a perfect example/better example of your ethnic Ukrainian Russian ie a "proRussian".
30yo. #Russia terrorist & war criminal "Motorola" wears more "medals" on #Donetsk parade than local #WW2 vets. https://twitter.com/search?q=pic.twi...ZG%20&src=typd
comrade mirhond--does it make sense to you that a Ukrainian WW2 vet who fought heavily and possible for years has far less medals than a known killer of POWs who has only fought for less than a year???--remember even he himself stated during a recently taped video interview that he had killed no less than 15 Ukrainian POWs--then he casually stated--"what is the problem with that" thus making himself a number one "war criminal" for the Hague.
find a better "narrative" mirhond --think about it.
BTW the photo link works and I have other photos from him yesterday on hand if you want to see them as well---
AND the "so called" leader of the proRussian DNR--almost fell off his reviewing stand during the Donetsk parade yesterday as he was so drunk--what a group of "proRussians"--all united by vodka and dreams of "war glory" since they had been before the war just normal bounce around handy men with no completed education nor profession.
wow what "political" leadership mirhond---
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Are those gale force winds blowing separatist leader Zakharchenko around, or has he had one vodka too many? https://youtube.com/watch?v=bJ-RlyKn...ature=youtu.be …Canadian radio station about Anatoly Shariy,(runaway Ukrainian journalist who constantly makes fun of Ukrainian media scammers) an interview with him included:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQWhsZJ4bRk
Hilarious commentary at 2:50 "Is he a dissident voice or pro-Russian voice?"
as if being critical of current Ukrainian regime inevitably makes a person pro-Russian. What kind of political mindset makes such conclusion possible? Or is it just Western media bias and propaganda effect?
an this is the average ethnic Ukrainian Donbas proRussian leader--come on comrade mirhond--narrative, narrative, narrative------no wonder they needed the help of the Russia army to deal with the Ukrainian Army.
BTW--a side comment is due on this particular video--your own Russian Defense Minister and the Russian Foreign Minster both accused the US of lying when the US stated there were Russian AD missile systems inside the Minsk 2 contact line---here are Strela 10s or SA-13s 10 km from the contact line (actually must be a minimum of 50kms from the forward contact line)--thus comrade mirhond--"who exactly lied"??
BTW--OSCE warned Russia about this violation of Minsk 2.
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 05-10-2015 at 08:04 AM.
more narratives for you mirhond;Canadian radio station about Anatoly Shariy,(runaway Ukrainian journalist who constantly makes fun of Ukrainian media scammers) an interview with him included:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQWhsZJ4bRk
Hilarious commentary at 2:50 "Is he a dissident voice or pro-Russian voice?"
as if being critical of current Ukrainian regime inevitably makes a person pro-Russian. What kind of political mindset makes such conclusion possible? Or is it just Western media bias and propaganda effect?
remember the proRussian war criminal??
Amnesty International: At least five witnesses to Motorola's murder of Ukrainian POW Ihor Baranovitskiy. http://donbass.hromadskeradio.org/20...international/ …
remember when I indicated Russian theft of Ukrainian coal???
#Horlivka @NovaGorlivka 22 coal [railroad] cars travelled to an undisclosed location tow/#Mykytivka station,maybe tow/Debaltseve and further
remember the Russian lies about AD systems in the Ukraine???
29/Apr: @MoD_Russia dismissed @StateDept claim Russia deploys anti-aircraft systems in Ukraine — 1/May: in Luhansk! pic.twitter.com/Hs2blg7Fsa
mirhond--this seems to be about the only "growth market" in the Donbas right now.Canadian radio station about Anatoly Shariy,(runaway Ukrainian journalist who constantly makes fun of Ukrainian media scammers) an interview with him included:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQWhsZJ4bRk
Hilarious commentary at 2:50 "Is he a dissident voice or pro-Russian voice?"
as if being critical of current Ukrainian regime inevitably makes a person pro-Russian. What kind of political mindset makes such conclusion possible? Or is it just Western media bias and propaganda effect?
At least one cannot say the Russian mercenaries are not “capitalists”???
Most of these LNR-DNR-whatever medals are up for sale now on ebay, with the document in blank (fill with your name). http://<br /> <br /> So much for h...57245077311488 …
https://www.facebook.com/petroporosh...20914074709655
Poroshenko asks Zuckerberg for special Ukrainian (possibly Russian-free ^_^ ) Facebook
Dear Mark Zuckerberg, We have to use all available channels to get reaction from global companies. Ukraine does need a Ukrainian Facebook office!
#1 Give us money.
#2 Give us weapons.
#3 Give us discount.
#4 give us admin panel, bitches.
Last edited by mirhond; 05-19-2015 at 12:11 PM.
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
https://www.facebook.com/petroporosh...20914074709655
Poroshenko asks Zuckerberg for special Ukrainian (possibly Russian-free ^_^ ) Facebook
#1 Give us money.
#2 Give us weapons.
#3 Give us discount.
#4 give us admin panel, bitches.
#Lavrov states that the subtitles were wrong at spesnaz-video. #Kremlin released the original ones. pic.twitter.com/Pe0k9ggLHC
Moderator's Note see Post 333 for translation of cited text.
See PoRada enacted a decree that denounces some articles of
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and
European Convention on Human Rights
http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/w...1?pf3511=54997
... based on necessity of handling Russian agression, of cause.Draft Resolution on approval of the statements of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine "On Ukraine derogation from certain obligations defined by the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the European Convention on Human Rights"
one peace of the decree is wonderful:
Russians are so bad-assed, they seek to destroy entire Ukrainian nationВодночас, проведення антитерористичної операції з метою відвернення загрози знищення Українського народу збройною агресією Російської Федерації є тією межею, яка дозволяє тимчасово обмежувати свободу пересування і право на приватне життя
(ಠ_ಠ )
Last edited by davidbfpo; 05-22-2015 at 10:39 AM. Reason: Add note
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
mirhond--finally you are totally correct--they are so bad assed they are literally stealing scrap metal from just about anywhere in the Donbas--today reports of scrap metal being taken out of a functioning coal mine almost forcing it to shut down--thieves were chased off by the miners themselves as there is no functioning police force in the occupied mercenary areas. so much for calling themselves a"people's republic"--should be more like the "republic for and by thieves" right mirhond????.Rada enacted a decree that denounces some articles of
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and
European Convention on Human Rights
http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/w...1?pf3511=54997
... based on necessity of handling Russian agression, of cause.
one peace of the decree is wonderful:
Russians are so bad-assed, they seek to destroy entire Ukrainian nation
(ಠ_ಠ )
what is it with this Russian scrap metal theft lately--is Russia running out of steel or is it really simply typical Russian corruption at work at the lowest levels????????
meaning my mercenary salary for killing Ukrainians is not making me rich enough so I will steal anything I want--BUT wait is not the Donbas the ethnic Russian region and proRussian SO why are they stealing from their own????
awaiting an answer........
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 05-21-2015 at 07:40 PM.
Rada enacted a decree that denounces some articles of
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and
European Convention on Human Rights
one peace of the decree is wonderful:
providing translation, by admin's request:Водночас, проведення антитерористичної операції з метою відвернення загрози знищення Українського народу збройною агресією Російської Федерації є тією межею, яка дозволяє тимчасово обмежувати свободу пересування і право на приватне життя
At this time - when COIN operation that prevents destruction of Ukrainian people by Russian Federation - freedom of movement and privacy are restricted
Meanwhile, another lunatic regulation from Rada:
http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/w...1?pf3511=54689
article 6:Draft Law on the Legal Status and commemoration of the Ukrainian freedom fighters in the twentieth century
Google translateСтаття 6. Відповідальність за порушення законодавства про статус борців за незалежність України у ХХ столітті
1. Громадяни України, іноземці, а також особи без громадянства, які публічно проявляють зневажливе ставлення до осіб, зазначених у статті 1 даного Закону, перешкоджають реалізації прав борців за незалежність України у XX столітті несуть відповідальність відповідно до чинного законодавства України.
2. Публічне заперечення факту правомірності боротьби за незалежність України у ХХ столітті визнається наругою над пам'яттю борців за незалежність України у XX столітті, приниженням гідності Українського народу і є протиправним.
Responsibility for violation of legislation on the status of fighters for Ukraine's independence in the twentieth century
1. Citizens of Ukraine, foreigners and persons without citizenship who publicly showing contempt for the persons referred to in Article 1 of this law, prevent the exercise of rights fighters for independence of Ukraine in the XX century bear responsibility in accordance with the current legislation of Ukraine.
2. Public denial of the legitimacy of the struggle for independence of Ukraine in the twentieth century recognized insult to the memory of fighters for independence of Ukraine in the XX century disparagement of the Ukrainian people and is unlawful.
So, who are these noble fighters, you might ask? Of cause its OUN-UPA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
So, now condemning Banderovists of ethnic cleansig, like Volyn massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacr...astern_Galicia
is illegal in Ukraine. Enjoy your stay.
Last edited by mirhond; 05-21-2015 at 10:05 PM.
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
1. OUN BN is now a full member of the Ukrainian ArmyRada enacted a decree that denounces some articles of
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and
European Convention on Human Rights
one peace of the decree is wonderful:
providing translation, by admin's request:
At this time - when COIN operation that prevents destruction of Ukrainian people by Russian Federation - freedom of movement and privacy are restricted
Meanwhile, another lunatic regulation from Rada:
http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/w...1?pf3511=54689
article 6:
Google translate
Responsibility for violation of legislation on the status of fighters for Ukraine's independence in the twentieth century
1. Citizens of Ukraine, foreigners and persons without citizenship who publicly showing contempt for the persons referred to in Article 1 of this law, prevent the exercise of rights fighters for independence of Ukraine in the XX century bear responsibility in accordance with the current legislation of Ukraine.
2. Public denial of the legitimacy of the struggle for independence of Ukraine in the twentieth century recognized insult to the memory of fighters for independence of Ukraine in the XX century disparagement of the Ukrainian people and is unlawful.
So, who are these noble fighters, you might ask? Of cause its OUN-UPA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
So, now condemning Banderovists of ethnic cleansig, like Volyn massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacr...astern_Galicia
is illegal in Ukraine. Enjoy your stay.
2. mirhond--you still did not answer just why Russians are stealing all the scrap metal in the Donbas
3. provide us kindly the reason why Stalin during the forced collectivization of the Ukraine started a starvation campaign in 1932 that resulted in the starvation of approximately 2M Ukrainians ONLY then to replace them with ethnic Russians where they no longer existed--
mirhond you do realize that the Stalin starvation campaign resulted in ethnic Russians now being in the Donbas which was traditionally 94% Ukrainian--you do acknowledge that piece of Russian history right?
BTW mirhond the Donbas in 1932 was never ethnic Russian--check your statistics---over after Stalin's starvation did it flip ethnically.
BTW check how Stalin in other parts of the SU did in fact thorugh a similar series of campaigns (especially his deportations after 1945) replace those ethnic nationalities with ethnic Russians--check it --historically proven thus no need to even debate
"Donbass" bat. Nazis hanging a man and woman. Rebels claim victims are rebel fighter and his wife.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBKm...ctr=1432289973
bonus video. Munbo-jumbo country song in broken Russian from American volunteer. "Right Sector are fags"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJehSChu2ZE
Last edited by mirhond; 05-22-2015 at 10:04 AM.
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
mirhond --you do realize the "hanging video" has been proven a "fake" watch the leg of the man "actually move" when he is suppose to be long dead--come on mirhond get something that has not been proved to be a "fake"."Donbass" bat. Nazis hanging a man and woman. Rebels claim victims are rebel fighter and his wife.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBKm...ctr=1432289973
bonus video. Munbo-jumbo country song in broken Russian from American volunteer. "Right Sector are fags"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJehSChu2ZE
Anastas Mikoyan, a Stalinist Politburo member who survived into the Khrushchev era, at one point explained why it was impossible to rehabilitate people too quickly. If they were all declared innocent at once, “it would be clear that the country was not being run by a legal government, but by a group of gangsters.”
When Cardinal Theodor Innitzer of Vienna tried to appeal for food aid for the starving in summer and autumn 1933, Soviet authorities rebuffed him nastily, saying that the Soviet Union had neither cardinals nor cannibals—a statement that was only half true.
How to Spend a Weekend in Moscow
Mirhond
I do recommend a visit to two mass graves near Moscow containing the remains of purge victims-the Butovo and the Kommunarka farm village.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...ds/217882.html
"They shot as many as 600 people a day in Butovo"
How to Spend a Weekend in Saint Petersburg
About 7,000 people in the region around what was then known as Leningrad disappeared in Stalin's purges from 1930 to 1936 and nearly 40,000 more were killed from August to November 1937, the peak of the terror, according to Memorial. Thousands were buried in a cemetery discovered a decade ago in the village of Levashevo, but relatives of victims had long believed that Stalin's executioners took most of the political prisoners to the Rzhevsk army range in Toksovo, just north of Leningrad, where they were shot and buried.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/200...a-flige-stalin
What it has to do with Ukraine: non-military aspects topic?
Would you please create a relevant topic for this?
Again, nothing but your word against a video evidence - there is always place for reasonable doubt, let me think... I choose video.
I'll use this phrase as a template every time you post any unsupported nonsense
Last edited by mirhond; 05-23-2015 at 01:34 PM.
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
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