Ukraine: military (Aug '14 to mid-June '15) closed

**mirhond** · 08-23-2014

Originally Posted by carl

Money and weapons to the Ukrainians. They have all the men and fighting spirit they need already.

ROFL, It'a a great pity that you don't know Russian or Ukrainian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO6HHIv4JKI

0:30 Wives at home without jobs, we got 1800 Hrn per month, lets enlistment officer who send me into this s#!thole go here for this money.
1:20 One guy lost his sight - state doesn't give a s#!t
1:50 I've earned 5 times more than here doing crap.
et cetera
general expression of the soldier's speech: I'AM FU(KING FED UP WITH THIS FU(KING S#!T!!111

If those guys die their local communities are probably better off for it. But if their contract professional soldiers start dying, things change.

There is no evidence of contract professional soldiers at the scene, in the first place, so your precious Vlad won't bother.

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Breaking news! Mistery of "The lost convoy" revealed!

Das ist eher fraglich. Komischerweise war vom Kiewer Stab der sogenannten Anti-Terror-Operation dazu stundenlang nichts zu hören. Erst gegen Abend meldete das Büro von Präsident Petro Poroschenko - und nicht etwa der zuständige Militärstab - die "teilweise" Vernichtung der Kolonne. Bilder davon hat die Regierung in Kiew bis heute nicht vorgelegt, auch die Amerikaner haben offenbar keine. Die besagte Kolonne ist inzwischen zudem von allen ukrainischen Nachrichtenseiten verschwunden.

So bleibt der Eindruck: Ja, den Einmarsch der 23 Fahrzeuge hat es tatsächlich gegeben, den Angriff möglicherweise aber nicht. Denn Kiew reagierte überhaupt erst, nachdem die Meldungen der beiden britischen Korrespondenten die Runde gemacht hatten. Eigentlich sollte es umgekehrt sein: Die eigene Aufklärung stellt das Eindringen der Fahrzeuge fest und berichtet darüber der Öffentlichkeit.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-986481.html

Hilarious! Western journalists are definetly more aware of situation than COIN HQ and Poroshenko himself.

**OUTLAW 09** · 08-23-2014

Originally Posted by mirhond

ROFL, It'a a great pity that you don't know Russian or Ukrainian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO6HHIv4JKI

0:30 Wives at home without jobs, we got 1800 Hrn per month, lets enlistment officer who send me into this s#!thole go here for this money.
1:20 One guy lost his sight - state doesn't give a s#!t
1:50 I've earned 5 times more than here doing crap.
et cetera
general expression of the soldier's speech: I'AM FU(KING FED UP WITH THIS FU(KING S#!T!!111

There is no evidence of contract professional soldiers at the scene, in the first place, so your precious Vlad won't bother.

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Breaking news! Mistery of "The lost convoy" revealed!

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-986481.html

Hilarious! Western journalists are definetly more aware of situation than COIN HQ and Poroshenko himself.

come on comrade mirhond---even you have to now admit the photos, IDs, and Russian social media has fully indicated 38 Russian soldiers of the 76th AB Div were wounded and 60 killed.

figure out how many per IFV and you will come to the total of 100 plus Russians on the convoy.

come on comrade at least get your information sources correct

**OUTLAW 09** · 08-23-2014

Awaiting the geo tagging of the solid fuel booster for the SS21 that was found in the Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/zexep/status/503...898560/photo/1

**OUTLAW 09** · 08-23-2014

It appears that the Russian Army is expanding UAV and cross border artillery/MRL attacks now in the southern Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/GorseFires/statu...46211550547968

#BreakingNews Russian army attacked the border crossing of #Novoazovsk near Mariupol multiple times during the last 2 days w/ Grads+mortars.

This goes a long way in understanding why the Russian Army is now engaging in the south along the Black Sea---there are indicators that the Russians want to expand their border control all the way to Odessa.

Notice the interplay between Russian artillery and mercenary artillery on the town Novoazoysk. from both sides of the border.

DONETSK, August 23 (RIA Novosti) – Ukrainian militia in the restive Donetsk region told RIA Novosti Saturday they were now fighting their way to the Sea of Azov in the country’s south.

A source in the militia headquarters told our correspondent that self-defense forces had been pounding government troops’ positions near the town of Novoazovsk, a port on the southeastern tip of Ukraine.

If the militias are victorious, forces of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) will gain access to the Sea of Azov, which is a northern extension of the Black Sea, while also taking control of a local checkpoint and forcing pro-Kiev troops away from the border with Russia.

Earlier reports said that heavy fighting near the Novoazovsk border crossing prompted Russian border guards to pull back inside the country over security concerns.

**OUTLAW 09** · 08-23-2014

NATO states Russian troops are inside the Ukraine---Moscow says no then this comes across the blogger world:

https://twitter.com/lennutrajektoor/...72204889763840

**carl** · 08-23-2014

Originally Posted by mirhond

ROFL, It'a a great pity that you don't know Russian or Ukrainian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO6HHIv4JKI

0:30 Wives at home without jobs, we got 1800 Hrn per month, lets enlistment officer who send me into this s#!thole go here for this money.
1:20 One guy lost his sight - state doesn't give a s#!t
1:50 I've earned 5 times more than here doing crap.
et cetera
general expression of the soldier's speech: I'AM FU(KING FED UP WITH THIS FU(KING S#!T!!111

There is no evidence of contract professional soldiers at the scene, in the first place, so your precious Vlad won't bother.

Upd
Breaking news! Mistery of "The lost convoy" revealed!

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-986481.html

Hilarious! Western journalists are definetly more aware of situation than COIN HQ and Poroshenko himself.

I don't exactly know what your point is but when regular Russian troops come over the border in number (regardless of what they call themselves or are wearing) the fighting spirit and ability of the Ukrainians will be directly measurable by counting the number of full body bags heading back east. And if the Ukrainians were to be given more than adequate numbers of good weapons by us the prospect of that number of body bags being large may dissuade Vlad. Good for the Ukrainians, good for Russian mothers. Everybody is happy.