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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    The Abilities of the British, French, and German Armies to Generate and Sustain Armored Brigades in the Baltics
    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1629.html#
    This reminds me of RAND's other depressing report on NATO ground force capabilities in the event of a Russian invasion of the Baltics: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...AND_RR1253.pdf

    My concerns with these RAND reports are threefold:

    Firstly, NATO forces operate as joint forces, yet there is no discussion of the airpower and seapower that NATO can bring to bear in support of the Baltic republics, including from assets that are not in-theater (e.g. U.S. strategic bombers, NATO SSNs, U.S. SSGNs).

    Secondly, I have the feeling that RAND is shilling for the U.S. Army and now for the British, French and German armies. With the waning deployment of ground forces to the Middle East, the uptick in Afghanistan notwithstanding, these institutions are faced with a lack of mission and reprisals from other services whose budgets were cut to the bone from 2001 on.

    Thirdly, RAND is perpetuating a notion that NATO's doctrine is static defense, when in fact, NATO has always assumed that it would defend in depth and counterattack.

    For instance, the temporary loss of Narva or the Suwalki Gap is considered unthinkable today, but even during the waning days of the Cold War, it was always assumed that the Warsaw Pact forces could seize West Berlin and drive deep into West Germany.

    In conclusion, these reports must be taken as sensationalism and fear-mongering in order to grab the attention of the relevant politicians and ensure that there is adequate defense expenditure. Quietly whispering that some incremental improvements are required will not do much: a very squeaky wheel is needed to get a portion of the ask...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    This reminds me of RAND's other depressing report on NATO ground force capabilities in the event of a Russian invasion of the Baltics: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...AND_RR1253.pdf

    My concerns with these RAND reports are threefold:

    Firstly, NATO forces operate as joint forces, yet there is no discussion of the airpower and seapower that NATO can bring to bear in support of the Baltic republics, including from assets that are not in-theater (e.g. U.S. strategic bombers, NATO SSNs, U.S. SSGNs).

    Secondly, I have the feeling that RAND is shilling for the U.S. Army and now for the British, French and German armies. With the waning deployment of ground forces to the Middle East, the uptick in Afghanistan notwithstanding, these institutions are faced with a lack of mission and reprisals from other services whose budgets were cut to the bone from 2001 on.

    Thirdly, RAND is perpetuating a notion that NATO's doctrine is static defense, when in fact, NATO has always assumed that it would defend in depth and counterattack.

    For instance, the temporary loss of Narva or the Suwalki Gap is considered unthinkable today, but even during the waning days of the Cold War, it was always assumed that the Warsaw Pact forces could seize West Berlin and drive deep into West Germany.

    In conclusion, these reports must be taken as sensationalism and fear-mongering in order to grab the attention of the relevant politicians and ensure that there is adequate defense expenditure. Quietly whispering that some incremental improvements are required will not do much: a very squeaky wheel is needed to get a portion of the ask...
    Actually well thought out answer....yes RAND has gone the extra mile in their releases....the question is for whom....as they live and die from DoD contracts.....

    While Trump praised himself when the NATO Sec arrived in DC for pushing NATO to spend more...what a farce of a public statement but lapped up by his voters......those decisions were made long before Trump arrived in the WH due to Putin's aggressive actions towards the Baltics/Scandinavia...in Crimea and eastern Ukraine....

    YES NATO doctrine has always been defense in depth and then counterattack when the attack stalls out....as it is far easier to defend than to go immediately into offensive operations where the wide open spaces of Russia shallows up anything...

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    Russia exports neo-nazis from St. Petersburg to #Estonia in order to frame the country as "fascist".
    https://www.kapo.ee/en/content/annual-reviews.html#

    Same exact drill in eastern Ukraine before the Russian invasion to support their fellow Russian speaking brothers....

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    MI6 first alerted the FBI/CIA of Trump RU ingtelligence contacts, but it was Estonia that triggered FISA order
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-links-russia#
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    Easter eggs in Estonia
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    Russian Su-24 Fencer Aircraft (Closely Watched By Swedish JAS39 Gripens) Buzz Dutch Navy Frigate In The Baltic
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    Retaliation for non-engagement in #NordStream2? Russia railway monopoly refuses most requests 2take cargo to Latvia
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