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Old 01-12-2017   #361
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Azor... really rethink your comments....while virtually everyone you think including Trump has declared it "fake news"...what are the comments by very good ex spy types with years of experience in this type of Russian/Czech approach...as the Czechs had perfected it....

They are skeptical BUT they then state....some makes sense let's wait to see what else pops up and quietly they are waiting for more to pop up....they view these leaks as a series of not so subtle warnings to Trump and his four Russian advisors....

If one or two items in the report prove to be correct then they will take a totally different and more positive view...
Note that I haven't called the dossier fake news. It was written and exists, but I do believe that is a fabrication where Trump personally is concerned. This of course, may change.

Well, first it was the Estonians who had outstanding intelligence and now it is the Czechs... Yet the BIS claims that Prague is overrun by GU and SVR officers, and the Czech government is one of the EU and NATO members most friendly toward Russia.

These leaks are hardly warnings. How is it, that Chris Steele and Orbis uncovered this plot that had been ongoing for 5-8 years, but no European intelligence agency did (including the SIS), or if they did, they failed to alert the CIA? Brennan and the CIA were decidedly in favor of Hillary winning the election, and so why would they sit on such a dossier or not create one of their own? This information could have swung the election, and Brennan was not shy about differing from the ODNI line, just as Comey was not shy (allegedly) about ignoring DOJ instructions...
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No, there are no indications, and even The Observer tried to backtrack and claim that Cohen didn't have to physically meet the Russians to be in contact. The Interpreter also craps all over this claim.
Azor...even your recital of 20@committee presentation is wrong...go back and thoroughly this time reread the article...you might actually have a different assumption at the end of what he wrote....

You thoroughly do not fully and completely understand just how especially HUMINT is gathered....written up and then processed inside the intel chain of analysis....

I will give you something that in the end was verified by national level agencies much to their surprise and for which I got laughed at all the way up the national intel chain...that laughter was heard all the way back to Berlin and I had to grin and bear it.....but that is the way HUMINT sometimes works...sometimes you win some and sometimes who lose some....

I once wrote a report taken from a local farmer...country remains unnamed....who in my conversations about farming life and farmer shortages suddenly started rambling about a train silver in color that would race through his village on unannounced days usually around 0200/0300 in the morning making so much noise due to the speed that he could not sleep...that was what he was complaining about......well there was a rail line near his house for starters but listed as largely unused...but at least a rail line .....BTW..largely listed as unused but in great condition for an unused line which was strange at that time thus the report..

Well up went the report of this "unidentified silver bullet train traveling on an unused rail line" single report.....from Berlin to DC they thought I had lost my mind....but what is said is reported in the HUMINT business...

After several months the laughter died out BUT six months later I get an urgent call from the DC analysts ..can you recontact the farmer and ask the following additional questions...l.....

Appears that the bullet train was in fact the Soviet mobile rail launched ICBM system that Russia has now put back into service and I had stumbled by accident onto the rail line being used at that time...then the train was in fact verified and was actually silver in color....DC was no longer laughing....

REFERENCE this Buzzfeed report...in the HUMINT business one must report what is heard and or stated....letting others confirm or deny...

HUMINT is so important....why...satellites and SIGINT cannot tell you what is behind door four on the fifth underground floor of a bunker complex....nor what officers say during exercise discussions or what is being produced in a side factory located nowhere on a map...behind three other factories.....

THIS report is interesting because in fact what is being reported has not been actually denied as having occurred nor has it be confirmed.......

Will give you a hint...sometimes that even happens with a polygraph test....we cannot tell if he is lying or telling the truth....and you are forced to make a judgment call based largely on your years of experience in this business.

Or as the Navy tells aircraft pilots on their last seconds of the carrier approach..."call the ball"...meaning it is all yours now....you make the call that is what you are paid for.....

It all depends on the quality of the sources being used.....

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Azor..this caught my attention as it goes to what I have been virtually preaching to you....the WHY was it included.....?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp

CHECK the highlighted para.....

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Reporters from various news outlets also had sought confirmation of the information with Rick Wilson, a GOP strategist, but he hadn’t seen a copy of the document before Tuesday and denied passing any copies to U.S. intelligence.

“Many, many, many (people saw the report) in recent months because it’s a small enough circle of people and reporters and others are running into each other and crossing trails as they went through this thing,” Wilson#said Wednesday.

The U.S. official with knowledge of the matter confirmed Wednesday that McCain gave material to the FBI. The same documents, however, had been in the possession of the bureau months before McCain's contact, said the official who is not authorized to comment publicly.

Authorities have been examining the information since it was first obtained, but the official said that the salacious contents of it have remained unsubstantiated. As authorities became aware of the raw document's widening circulation and the imminent possibility that could be made public, top officials decided to include the summary as an appendix to the packet compiled to brief the president-elect on Russia's efforts to influence the U.S. election.

"These presidential briefings are always evolving and changing based on who occupies the office,'' said former FBI assistant director Ron Hosko. "But I think there is a naivete on the part of the public and press about the kind of influence campaigns that countries like Russia and China are pursuing. These are nation states who are all about getting an advantage in our world. Even if this information is unsubstantiated, it ought to be included (in a briefing) as something that could be used against a president.''
NOTICE the following formulation....

Authorities have been examining the information since it was first obtained, but the official said that the salacious contents of it have remained unsubstantiated

THIS tells me one clear and concise point...everything outside of the sex tape/tapes WAS in fact substantiated....

BUT somehow that got overlooked by Trump and his staff did it not????

BTW...this below is what I have been trying to get you to fully understand....comment from social media here in Europe....

I personally feel my walls of paranoia just crumbled & I changed to believers camp.

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FOX & friends

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EXCLUSIVE: Rudy Giuliani announces he's forming a cyber security group on behalf of Trump administration

THIS is the same exact Giuliani that announced before the FBI did that the FBI has going to reinvestigate Clinton..did he not AND the same Giuliani who "knew" about the WikiLeaks email dump that was coming but no one else knew about it....

AND the same Giuliani what then stated he knew the Russians had not been hacking the US and the DNC.....

This is the same Giuliani right?????
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The US has no censorship of the press and has freedom of press right?????

Trump employees were peaking over reporters' shoulders and checking their notes today.
https://www.ft.com/content/2af60a20-...-e7eb37a6aa8e#
… from @GaryRSilverman

BTW...this is the same UK media outlet that is doing extensive reporting on the Trump Russia money trail.....
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Azor...one thing this has been good for is that now EU especially Germany has fully awoken to the Russian influence and hacking operations and has caught the curve.....

MFA Russia 🇷🇺

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#Zakharova:Germany continues to whip up hysteria over #Russia’s alleged attempts to meddle in political processes in #Germany
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#Zakharova: We regret that #Berlin decided to follow in the steps of the #US without thinking how it could affect Russian-German relations
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Note that I haven't called the dossier fake news. It was written and exists, but I do believe that is a fabrication where Trump personally is concerned. This of course, may change.

Well, first it was the Estonians who had outstanding intelligence and now it is the Czechs... Yet the BIS claims that Prague is overrun by GU and SVR officers, and the Czech government is one of the EU and NATO members most friendly toward Russia.

These leaks are hardly warnings. How is it, that Chris Steele and Orbis uncovered this plot that had been ongoing for 5-8 years, but no European intelligence agency did (including the SIS), or if they did, they failed to alert the CIA? Brennan and the CIA were decidedly in favor of Hillary winning the election, and so why would they sit on such a dossier or not create one of their own? This information could have swung the election, and Brennan was not shy about differing from the ODNI line, just as Comey was not shy (allegedly) about ignoring DOJ instructions...
Azor...you mentioned Steele a number of times....his reports are actually when a EU based journalist working in Russia reflect the tone and words used when he deals with his sources for information.....
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Christo Grozev @christogrozev
Too early to call. I think some of @MarkGaleotti's concerns are excessive. For ex, that's how I talk to my sources in RU.

Christo Grozev ‏@christogrozev
Surprise, surprise. Guess who co-founded/funded the Prisma app, which last year I identified as a huge security risk? Yep, this same Gubarev

Evidence was initially provided by ex MI6 officials; @CIA and @FBI vetted individual and sources enough to present to Prez & PrezE

Reference second point taken from Buzzfeed report.....
THIS part I can confirm from my own unrelated source
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@juliaioffe in @theatlantic about kompromat, the particularly Russian art of blackmail
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ssier/512891/#
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Azor...he is mirroring what I am saying..Trump is way in over his head and he does not realize it yet....

When you decide to cross of the dark side as Trump has with Russian money and influence you are constantly looking over your shoulder to see when the next shoe drops and it will always drop....

John Schindler

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Going to war with the IC & the MSM at the same time while publicly gloating about your pals in the Kremlin.

There's no way that ends badly.

US to #Israel: "Don't share intelligence with us under #Trump or #Putin will know."
Let this melt in your mouth.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...6642,00.html#…
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Creeping authoritarianism watch - member of Congress calls on reporter to be fired/banned for asking questions of president-elect. Not good.

REMEBER THIS...go back to the actual recording of this exchange between Trump and the CNN reporter...IF anything Trump was totally and completely disrespect...
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DOES the US now have a vengeful President in the form of a Nixon 2.0????

AT&T is seeking to buy Time Warner, including CNN. A few minutes after the AT&T execs arrived, Trump sent his anti-CNN tweet.

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 1h
1 hour ago

.@CNN is in a total meltdown with their FAKE NEWS because their ratings are tanking since election and their credibility will soon be gone!
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Instead of a true Commander in Chief..we now have a Commander of Sales...question is does he own stock in the company?????

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h
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Thank you to Linda Bean of L.L.Bean for your great support and courage. People will support you even more now. Buy L.L.Bean.
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"early symptoms of several of the shortcomings afflicting unconsolidated democracies and competitive authoritarian regimes around the world"

Trump Shows How to Smother a Scandal: With a Bigger Story
https://nyti.ms/2jzIBwe#
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Trump falsely says DNI Clapper said the dossier was phony, in fact he said the IC had not made a determination about its reliability.
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Azor....UPDATE to the Buzzfeed article.....

1. the Buzzfeed article is built on 17 individual humint raw intel reports....

BUT those released 17 were evidently copied from the original Steele produced reports WHICH carried his company logos and correctly identified as being reports from his company backed up by UK sources supporting documentation were possible....that explains sometimes wrong spelling....typos and or different type set...

The ongoing question is who copied them.....

2. SO what Trump critiqued Buzzfeed on was not what he was presented by the US IC...

3. UK former intel types are saying the Steele company is small but has years of experience in Russia and their sources are considered to be of quality

4. same types are also saying out of the 17 reports one or two might not be fully correct BUT that does not reflect on all of them which they feel based on what was read is in fact totally possible....

WHAT the UK ex spy indicated that is extremely interesting and might in fact explain why the FBI allowed the inclusion of the document.....the original Steel document indicates that a number of Russian émigrés residing in the US were used by the GRUFSB as money funnels into the Trump campaign when funds were low due to poor fundraising on the part of the Trump campaign n and black money was often used to push rallies and overall costs.....he went to say that a few investigative journalists were already tracking that report down and were close to releasing their research....

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Trump calls BuzzFeed a “failing pile of garbage” which is wildly unfair as we are a succeeding pile of garbage.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...an-stephen-ban...
Steve Bannon’s Dream: A Worldwide Ultra-Right
Bannon and Breitbart are looking to build a Trumpian media empire in Europe by courting its most mediagenic right-wing extremists.

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11.13.16 10:06 PM ET

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PARIS—Never mind that the French cable television report#on Stephen Bannon made him look like one of the winos living on grates in Paris, or that it compared Bannon, Donald Trump’s grizzled éminence grise and newly-named White House chief strategist, to Adolf Hitler’s propaganda chief Josef Goebbels.#

And never mind the program’s citations of rampant sexism on Bannon’s pseudo-news service, Breitbart. All he had to do in that clip was say he’d like to expand Breitbart’s operations to France and allude to Marion Maréchal-Le Pen as “the new rising star” on the French version of the alt-right and she started gushing on Twitter in English:#

Interestingly, the citations from Bannon on that broadcast by the mainstream LCI network did not mention Marine Le Pen, the 48-year-old woman who has turned her father’s fringe right-wing party, the National Front, into the most dynamic and aggressive political force in the country.#
The reference cited was to “the Le Pen women” generally, as if there were so many, and then to the comely Marion, a member of the French parliament who is only 26 years old and has the xanthachroidal allure of a younger Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham.

Must be something in the air, l’esprit du temps, as they say. Let’s take a breath and look at what’s really going on here.

Bannon’s support for European far-right parties runs far deeper than his interest in Marion Maréchal-Le Pen or the National Front.#He brags about his international Breitbart operation as “the platform” for the American alt-right, and has for years been thinking globally, with an affinity for#the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP), Alternative for Germany (AfD), and the Party for Freedom Party (PVV) in the Netherlands, all of which have earned glowing coverage on the pages of Breitbart.

But the election of Bannon’s man Donald Trump as president of the United States has made the globalization of Breitbart and its message infinitely more plausible than it ever was before, and politicians once considered
Europe’s deplorables are now rushing to bask in the gilded glow of Trump and Bannon.

On Saturday, Britain’s Nigel Farage, whose blatant and acknowledged lies helped convince his countrymen to opt out of the European Union in the Brexit vote, visited the president-elect in his eponymous Fifth#Avenue tower.#
Farage emerged from the meeting looking like he’d just won the jackpot at one of the pre-bankruptcy Trump casinos,#suggesting#that the new president’s “inner team” was not too happy with Tory Prime Minister Theresa May, since she’d been skeptical of Brexit before the vote. Would that “inner team” be Bannon? In our post-factual world, maybe we can say, “People say…”

Breitbart, which currently has operations in London and Jerusalem, certainly has plans to expand in France and Germany with new bureaus to cultivate and promote the populist-nationalist lines there.

“He has long wanted to work with all of those parties, but that was only in promoting them with Breitbart,” a source close to Bannon told The Daily Beast. “Now he has the power of the White House to do it.”

Bannon, elevated Sunday night from the head of Trump’s favorite public-relations outfit masquerading as news outlet#to a White House senior counselor, is right now the direct line between the European far-right and Donald J. Trump, leader of the free world.

“If Stephen gets the offer to be Chief of Staff and says yes, then he runs the show,” a Trump aide told The Daily Beast before Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus was picked for that job, and Bannon received his very, very senior position.

That’s more than a little bit disturbing, considering that Bannon was#openly influenced by Nazi propagandist Leni Riefenstahl, who rose to prominence as a blonde bombshell before producing such masterpieces of propaganda as “Triumph of the Will.”

But again, the Trumpian zeitgeist makes us digress.

So strong are the winds of right-wing change at the moment—even if it’s not clear whether they’re just gusts or sustained—that when the European Union’s foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, convened EU foreign ministers for an urgent dinner Sunday night to discuss the impact of the Trump victory, two quickly declined: Britain’s once and future Brexiteer, Boris Johnson, which was not much of a surprise; and France’s Jean-Marc Ayrault, who demurred as if he had something better to do.

In fact, his Socialist government is scrambling to find right-wing credibility before elections next spring: a Sisyphean task given polls showing President François Hollande now has an approval rating of 4 percent (you read that right: 4 percent).

From the Netherlands, The Daily Beast’s Nadette De Visser reports that Geert Wilders (famous for his dyed blonde hair) is tapping into Trump's one-liners: “We will make the Netherlands great again,” he tweets, adding:#“I will give the Netherlands back to the Dutch because the Netherlands is our country.”

“Everywhere democratic revolutions are underway. They will drive the elites from power,” says Wilders, whose Twitter feed seems to mirror Trump’s—or is it Bannon's?—at every turn.

Similartly, Wilders has no qualms about using the Kremlin’s RT television network to broadcast his message. In an interview with RT, Wilders said, “Politics will never be the same and what I call the ‘patriotic spring’ is an enormous incentive. What I say to the Europeans is, ‘Look at America, what America can do, we can do as well.’”#

And up to a point the strategy appears to be working. Geert Wilders’s PVV is on the rise in some of the polls, which suggest it will be the biggest political party in the Netherlands. After Trump’s victory, the PVV went from 27 to 29 potential seats in the Dutch parliament, which would make it the single biggest bloc. But Wilders's record shows he’d find it almost impossible to pull together coalition partners in the 150-seat assembly.

So where he’ll continue to build his notoriety will be on the international stage—a mission Breitbart is likely to make very possible.

Barbie Latza Nadeau reports from Rome that Matteo Salvini of the Northern League, who may be the most blatantly racist and xenophobic#of all the West European wingnuts, says he’s offered to help Trump make inroads in European politics. “If Brexit teaches us something, if the election of Donald Trump teaches us something,” Salvini tweeted, “it is that today we get going to take over the power.”

But not everybody is as flattered by Trump/Bannon’s attentions as Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, Nigel Farage, Geert Wilders, and Matteo Salvini have shown themselves to be. And the least flattered, most offended of all may be the European leader most often compared to Donald Trump in terms of background and style.

Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is patently offended by the analogy. “Of course there are some similarities in that he is an entrepreneur who decided to use his expertise to help his country,” Berlusconi said of Trump to Corriere della Sera. “But I have never opted for protectionist or isolationist policies that would hurt the country,” and “politics has taught me that people are not judged by programs, but by their behavior. Let’s see him at work.”

Good idea. And once the Trump tsunami has passed, let’s see what is left of Europe.
Entire Russian government funded media jumps to the defence of Donald Trump.

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French far right leader Marine Le Pen seen at Trump Tower
http://reut.rs/2jnCAnb

.@seanspicer tells me Marine le Pen is NOT meeting w/ PEOTUS or anyone else from transition team. Adds “Trump Tower is open to the Public”

Yesterday Trump compared US intelligence community to Nazis. Today leader of France fascism Marine Le Pen spotted in Trump Tower.

SO Le Pen flies all the way from Paris just to do coffee in Trump Tower?...oh come on...Spicer can get better at lying.....

BUT WAIT maybe she did fly just for the excellent Kenyan coffee....?

Outside Mattis hearing, Inhofe says Trump's comments comparing intel leaks to "Nazi Germany" show the president elect's "sense of humor."

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RE: Chris Steele

This is an ex-intelligence officer who now works for whoever pays him, correct? Not unlike a police officer who becomes a private detective. Steele has admittedly worked for the Jeb Bush campaign and then unnamed Democrats following Bush’s withdrawal from contention. This seems to me to be unused ammunition left over from the Hillary-Trump war that was not used because perhaps the Democrats wanted to “go high” as Michelle Obama would have it, or perhaps because they feared dirty tricks blow-back.

When I think about an ex-SIS officer involving himself in the presidential campaign, I am reminded of Obama's involvement in the Remain campaign. Remember "back of the queue"? That was clearly written by the British and spoken by Obama as a favor to Cameron. What is to say that the US defense, foreign policy and intelligence hawks, all of whom sided with Hillary, didn't have their cousins across the pond do them a similar favor?

RE: Michael Cohen in Prague

Cohen denies being there or even having ever visited Prague, and there are suggestions that he was confused with another Michael Cohen or an “M. Cohen”. The denial is fairly unequivocal and so unless evidence comes to light that would make Cohen a complete liar, I will take him at his word for now. Trust, but verify.

RE: Trump and the MSM

The MSM, FOX aside, threw their hats in the ring with Clinton and got to work on “Project Fear”:
  • Trump will crater the US economy
  • Trump will start a nuclear war with Russia
  • No. Trump won’t be assertive enough with Russia and let them take over
  • Trump will dismantle NATO and then Russia and China will take over
  • No. Trump will be too confrontation with China and risk war
  • Trump is beholden to Russia
  • No. Trump is actually beholden to China
  • Trump is a racist and xenophobe
  • No. Trump is overly supportive of Israel
  • Trump is too isolationist
  • No. Trump will be too confrontational with Iran and too harsh in attacking Daesh
  • All of the above

What did they expect? They played hardball and now they’re complaining that there’s another Nixon in the White House…

RE: Trump Dossier

The IC did not claim that the dossier was “credible”, merely that the allegations were making the rounds and that Trump should be aware. Trump quickly decried the allegations and then attacked the media and whoever in the IC leaked the dossier to Buzz Feed.

As for “Russian money flows”, the dossier alleged that the compensation to Trump was in the form of intelligence and sexual services from prostitutes.
Read all 17 individual reports which the 35 pages summarize.....read the Russian oligarch names and then the Alfa Bank and then talk to me about money flows.....

REMEMBER the so called "talking server between Trump Tower and Alfa Bank which was in fact detected and once mad public suddenly went off line...THAT has never come up again and suddenly Alpha Bank is in these 35 pages....
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One of #Russian banks financially meddling /w US elections was Alfa Bank. What could have been the second?
https://twitter.com/ericgeller/statu...3472561983488#
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