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    Quote Originally Posted by JMA View Post
    Why are you telling me this stuff? I know it. Hundreds (probably many thousands) know this. It is the current operational application of combat tracking skills in Iraq/Afghanistan that some may not know (I don't).

    This reply also on the other tracking thread here
    JMA,

    Please do not contradict yourself in the same paragraph. You say you know it, then state that you do not know it.

    We are not looking for a "Post Count Hunter", but information that can be offered that contains knowledge and validity. I can quote myself again regarding current application of combat tracking skills in Iraq/Afghanistan if you like. However, I am getting tired of quoting myself. So, if you "know it", along with the "hundreds" that know it, put out the information that you "know" or "do not know" on the current combat theaters so those out there that have the willingness to learn can be a sponge.

    Your reply offered nothing but contradiction. So, please offer what you do or do not truly know in regards to this subject instead of confusion. I have no doubt you have a lot of knowledge to offer. However, you are not providing anything, but push-back on everything stated. Please include your experiences that will provide the current combat soldier with the wisdom you achieved from where you have been.

    This will be far more productive than the 1-liners that offer no knowledge or productivity able to be used by todays warfighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracker275 View Post
    JMA,

    Please do not contradict yourself in the same paragraph. You say you know it, then state that you do not know it.

    We are not looking for a "Post Count Hunter", but information that can be offered that contains knowledge and validity. I can quote myself again regarding current application of combat tracking skills in Iraq/Afghanistan if you like. However, I am getting tired of quoting myself. So, if you "know it", along with the "hundreds" that know it, put out the information that you "know" or "do not know" on the current combat theaters so those out there that have the willingness to learn can be a sponge.

    Your reply offered nothing but contradiction. So, please offer what you do or do not truly know in regards to this subject instead of confusion. I have no doubt you have a lot of knowledge to offer. However, you are not providing anything, but push-back on everything stated. Please include your experiences that will provide the current combat soldier with the wisdom you achieved from where you have been.

    This will be far more productive than the 1-liners that offer no knowledge or productivity able to be used by todays warfighter.
    You wanted your own thread to deal with current ops and you got it. So where is the current stuff?

    I suggest that many people here know quite a bit about tracking from their own past experience.

    I guess the question is whether you are here to share information or to gather information... and to play moderator at the same time

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    I guess the question is whether you are here to share information or to gather information... and to play moderator at the same time
    I will play moderator gents. If you would like to do the dance, request you do it via PMs and keep this thread on track with substantive discussion. This isn't even point / counter-point at this point. There is a gold mine to be had, but this is not headed in that direction.

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    Combat tracker dog program proves effective

    http://www.lackland.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123200085

    Anyone have an idea of the course content?

    The teams trained 30 days at Lackland before moving on to Yuma, Ariz., for 10 days of certification training before deployment to Afghanistan.
    And this also relating to dogs:

    Working dog teams readying for combat
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    I will play moderator gents. If you would like to do the dance, request you do it via PMs and keep this thread on track with substantive discussion. This isn't even point / counter-point at this point. There is a gold mine to be had, but this is not headed in that direction.
    In total agreement...

    To get back on track, lets start back at this point...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracker275
    Honestly, the carrying out of the tracking piece is not anything that hasn’t already been posted multiple times within U.S. Army unclassified doctrinal publications, or utlized by law enforcement for a long time in everyday forensic applications. The handoff from either an IED Post Blast, IED Found/Cleared, Small Arms Fire (SAF), etc., is simply the ability to not contaminate the area, and give the infantry a starting point to continue the pursuit of the quarry. From there, the basic principles of tracking are performed in conjunction with standard patrolling techniques that are relatively common in most military organizations. While performing the tracking, you maintain a security element that is either moving as the tracking element moves, or there are elements in an overwatch posture that allows for security of the tracking element that is walking point.

    While performing tracking operations, you don't violate the "5 Principles of Patrolling", and maintain not only maintain situational awareness of METT-TC, but also OCOKA.

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    "5 Principles of Patrolling": Planning, Reconnaissance, Security, Control, & Common Sense

    METT-TC: Mission, Enemy, Terrain and Weather, Troops and Support Available, Time Available, Civil Considerations

    OCOKA: Observation, Concealment, Obstacles, Key Terrain Features, Avenues of Approach


    Typically, in the urban environments in either Iraq or Afghanistan, most of the streets are either dirt, or have a concrete/asphalt base that is covered in dirt. Due to the dust storms, and the basic lacking of keeping anything picked up or clean over there, track traps are everywhere. While analysis of the initial scene of the incident is being conducted by one element, the maneuver element that found it takes it from the edge of the incident site. They continue it on from there in a “movement to contact” type of posture, which the tracker guides them to where the quarry was heading. If it is understood where the individual that was identified at the scene may be heading, the time distance gap can be shortened, particularly if there are channeling corridors that allow for only certain directions of travel. It is far easier to perform tracking in urban areas in Iraq than it is in the United States, as most of the alleys area dirt, and not paved. Additionally, our peak times in urban areas were between 2100hrs to 0100hrs, which there was limited activity in the towns we were working in. Most of the spoor was also identified going through alleys and not along the main streets. Typically, the point of setting up an IED in those areas was to eliminate either a specific person, or a group of individuals near buildings they felt safe at.

    Just like dealing with a crime scene in the United States, tracking in urban areas in Iraq are not much different. However, I have found far more evidence that has been able to be identified in Iraq than anything I have done in law enforcement here in the United States.

    Tracking is not merely a patrolling function, but a way to gather forensic evidence left by the individuals responsible for the incident that got you called to an area in the first place. Just like how law enforcement utilizes shoe impressions, tire impressions, skid marks on roads, etc., to determine what happened, or be able to identify a suspect, so does the tracker. The principles of tracking remain the same, and are not something that is some kind of “Special Forces” function, but a function that a trained Infantryman can utilize to better the pursuit of a suspect, or develop knowledge of TTPs utilized by the individual they are after.

    In today’s combat environments, we are almost as limited as personnel in Law Enforcement. We are not allowed to call in artillery on a sniper in a building anymore, like early on in the war. The fact that we are in a “peace keeping” roll, and not open combat, limits the use of easy methods of eliminating a threat. Through this restricted form of warfare, we have to utilize such capabilities that are proven to go after the target in a surgical manner, and not try and kill a fly with a sledge hammer.

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    All soldiers know, and it does not matter if SF or infantry, that it´s not allowed to go outside the wire without plate carriers (A-stan), thus making us slow to outmanuever enemy or effectively conduct follow-up operations. Until they allow GFC to decide when to wear/not wear ballistic protection, and start to move more on foot than in armoured coffins, it´s not gonna change much. I requested permission not to wear plates for certain task and guess what happened - nothing.
    PS: Sorry for my english, I am one of non-british/aussie/kiwi/canadian/american coalition soldiers.
    PPS: No, tracking is not learned anymore in Ranger School, at least wasn´t at class 3-04.

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