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Just as Stan said, you are most welcome to comment. My point was merely pointing out the fact that you and Stan are right but, as Stan said, this is sub-sahara Africa so they did the 2.0 revolution and you have access to modern communication. What was possible 30 years ago is just out dated today, even in the middle of the rainny forest (well, if you have the equipment ).Quote:
This is no opportunity act, in fact you have a complexe combinasion of events and "in the shadow" actors intervention which provocated the situation. The Mayi-Mayi were litteraly invited in Lubumbashi by one of the secessionist politician leader, the actual chairman of the Katanga assembly who is against the decentralization and is from South where all the mines are located. But several high ranked individuals from Kabila ethnic familly (the balubakat) also helped the Mayi-Mayi because they want to oppose against the decentralization. Despite he denies it, General Numbi, who use to be head of air forces and police and is a Kabila close collaborator, is said to have host some of the Mayi-Mayi in his farm. The head of central bank, also a balubakat, is also said to have distributed money to the Mayi Mayi... That, because Balubakat are from Northern part of Kataga, a part of Katanga which has no mines. If decentralization is implemented, North Katanga will be left out with no mines revenues and the actual game for Katanga politicians is to access the mines revenues. In addition, investors in Kataga are Chinese, US, UK, Indian, Canadian, French, Belgian... Basically messing with Lubumbashi is freaking out everybody. I think thatif investments are in danger Kabila believes the Legion will jump on Kolwezi once again to save his regime. I am affraid he got it completely wrong. Quote:
Actually the Katanga governor, Moise Katumbi, one of the wealthiest man of DRC, just agrees with you: UPDATE 2-Congo's copper province governor rejects export ban Quote:
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@Stan and M-A Lagrange, you do very well indeed to point out the situation on the ground as you witnessed it. I just try to frame the whole a bit mostly for my personal understanding.
Stan, I think your point about the lack of even relative weak political 'unit of action' shows the root cause of such surprising events like the takeover of an important city by a bunch of guys with AKs and machetes. As I said a small Greek polis would have been able to put, over 2500 years ago enough manpower into the field or on the walls to handle such an situation with great ease. In relative terms their capital spending on defense in general and equipment specifically would have been rather high but most important was the political will and (relative) unity. Lagrange, if the political systems 'worked' in the way you described it the whole event is far easier to explain and fits well into the framework. In this case not only there seems to have been internal political disagreement but outright conflict with the infusion of (enemy) military means. Nice catch about the copper ban. In our macro textbooks we have long discussion about efficient taxes with in modern market economies. In this case it seems more like an effort of the state to greatly weaken economically and politically the cobalt and copper reagion while getting some revenue in the short run. Moise Katumbi does certainly not want that and can support his refusal with obvious and sound economic thinking.
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From Stars and Stripes
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Manus manum lavat et aurum non olet. Some things will never disappear entirely from the face of this world.
Without knowing the situation on the ground I think that the chances to exclude especially gold from the supply chains running from eastern Kongo to Burundi are pretty slim. Demand and supply, easily ex- and interchangeable good. Kongolose gold once intermixed with one from Burundi won't smell much more differently and quite a few mine owners in Burundi might have found a quite distant gold mine on their own claim. ![]() Lots of contacts and movement across the border which is certainly not under the central control of the gov. which should also have no power over the mines. Aren't they also rather closer to relative well internationally integrated market of Burundi? The infrastructure should be rather shabby and insecure in any direction raising transport costs a great deal.
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![]() Sad but true: training by the best of the best does not change anything in the field US-trained Congolese battalion among units accused of rape Quote:
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Or at least an end of the tunnel if no light.
Pressure Mounting on U.S. over Congo Violence Quote:
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We will pass something that will make everybody feel very good about themselves, allow people to fly over and stay at that beautiful hotel on the lake in Bukavu (the name of which I forget) for weeks at a time and other than that nothing at all will change.
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I flew some people into fairly remote spot once. They were going to conduct conflict resolution courses. I shook my head then and I had only been there a few months. But we continue to do the same. This quote from the Stars and Stripes story M-A cited. "As part of the training effort, a sexual violence prevention program was created by a team of U.S. trainers that included AFRICOM experts." We aren't really serious about doing something about the problem. We are serious about looking like we are doing something and feeling good about that. And careers. Somebody or several somebodys got promoted for creating and implementing that sexual violence prevention program.
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