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Trump says North Korea ‘outplayed’ Obama — but the truth is much more complicated
http://read.bi/2pwilcS

BREAKING: Japan is considering preparations for refugees from North Korea
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BUT WAIT...I thought Pence was in SK to condemn NK actions...BUT now it is really about trade it appears....

Pence takes a hardline on renegotiating the US trade deal with South Korea
http://read.bi/2pPbyrh


Reality: our IC has too little HUMINT & SIGINT on North Korea.
Which makes Trump's tweets even more dangerous.

Nobody really knows what's going on inside North Korea. Not even US spies.
Here's why that's bad.

http://observer.com/2017/04/north-ko...sile-test-cia/
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Remember that 'armada’ Trump was sending to Korea? It is sailing the wrong way,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...41_story.html#

AND this is not a true "Wag the Dog moment"??????
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Eyewitnesses from Shenyang reporting mil. movement heading Dandong close to North Korea ("many medical vehicles")
https://already-happened.com/2017/04...-def-systems/#
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Default Face-to-face with top North Korean diplomat

Citing Bill M in part:
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AND you read the Deputy FMs comments that "Gadhafi was crazy for giving up his nuclear drive in exchange of being accepted into the West...WHAT did it get him...shot in a ditch" ...
I skimmed the BBC's interview with the Deputy FM this morning, but will now read it fully. The reporter concluded:
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The message is clear. Militarised and isolated, North Korea has the right to follow its own path and, Mr Han apparently believes, no one will be able to stop it.So far, he has been proven right.
Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39626011
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I find it interesting that while all state what they state the only American with a relative deep negotiation skills with NK in eight trips there for a long number of days Bill Richards [sic] who has no dog in the fight suggested the following…
I trust Bill Richardson on North Korea as much as I trust Dennis Rodman.

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All previous US comments whether from Reagan...Bush...Obama and now Trump has [sic] actually reinforced the NK image that the US wants to totally and completely defeat NK and reunify it with the south...that is at least their perception...and based on all the sanctions they could actually believe it...
Are you serious?

The record shows frequent and deadly North Korean acts of war against South Korea, Japan and the United States, which have not been responded to in kind, in addition to the unilateral withdrawal of American nuclear weapons from South Korea. In return, North Korea has continued to develop nuclear weapons that can reach the United States and has threatened nuclear war on a number of occasions. Pyongyang has been handled with kid gloves and that approach has not worked. Now, the window of opportunity for decisively stopping the threat is closing.

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AND you read the Deputy FMs comments that "Gadhafi was crazy for giving up his nuclear drive in exchange of being accepted into the West...WHAT did it get him...shot in a ditch"...You can actually understand NK…anyway maybe the current leader is not as "crazy" as we make him out to be...
Why would I read what I already know to be true?

You will recall that I have consistently argued that U.S. intervention in Libya drove a nail in the coffin of non-proliferation, which was given the coup de grace by Russia in Ukraine three years later.

Yet both you and CrowBat whined that Gadhafi was a butcher who needed to be ousted. Well, Obama ruined the only positive developments from Bush’s aggressive non-proliferation focus, and the point was not lost on either Pyongyang or Teheran for that matter. If there is war on the Korean peninsula again, save your condemnation for Clinton and Obama: at least Bush was consistent. Gadhafi was never “accepted into the West”, but there was a gentleman’s agreement that relations would be normal again and he would not be subject to “shock and awe”. After Operation Odyssey Dawn, why would Teheran, Pyongyang, Islamabad, Damascus or any other rogue nuclear or would-be nuclear power ever trust Washington? That is the reason that the JCPOA is a failure: because Teheran has no incentive to comply for the duration.

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Richards [sic] went on to say use economic and humanitarian aid and help to their electrical power industries to entice them long term that 1) the West is not out to destroy him or NK and 2) long term entice him off nuclear weapons if for a long period the West does not attempt to destroy NK...
By the time that “long period” is over, North Korea will have a minimum credible deterrent capable of reaching the U.S. and extorting it, South Korea and Japan for aid. There is no reason for Kim to believe that anything other than a nuclear deterrent will protect his regime. Neither Washington nor Moscow can go back on the messes they created in Libya and Ukraine, respectively, and the broken agreements.
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I don't see the incentive in DPRK responding to US threats by demobilizing or dismantling its nuclear program. Their rhetoric has made perfectly clear that the examples of Iraq and Libya surrendering their WMD only to be swiftly destroyed by the US are at the forefront of their justification. And the latest strike in Syria is not a good template for the US to use in response to any DPRK nuclear test - it will only show US impotence and possibly start a general war.
Well, hold on. Iraq never surrendered its nuclear weapons program; on the contrary, it ran out of resources due to the disastrous wars in Iran and Kuwait.

The countries that did dismantle their nuclear programs or weapons are:
  1. South Africa
  2. Ukraine
  3. Belarus
  4. Kazakhstan
  5. Libya

Of these, Libya was invaded less than eight years after it abandoned its nuclear weapons program in return for normalized relations, and Ukraine was invaded and partitioned nineteen years after surrendering the nuclear weapons in its possession.

The fact that these gentleman's or non-binding agreements were violated by key guarantors is not lost on Iran, North Korea, Pakistan or even Syria.
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and the latest from the Pyongyang Large Scale Modelbuilding Club
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/13/as...les/index.html
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Were Kim Jong-Un's missiles FAKE?
Critics claim 'wonky' rockets put on display ahead of failed test launch were not real weapons
North Korea unveiled new weapons during a display of the country's military
But people have started questioning the validity of some of the missiles on show
One in particular looks as though the nose is either fitted incorrectly or a fake
Parade of weapons was part of the celebrations of Kim Il-Sung in Pyongyang#

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4ee4jQTIY
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Nice analysis from Tanchoppa
https://tanchoppa.wordpress.com/2012...a-parade-fake/

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