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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    Azor...Russian military can in fact project power...via their GRU Spetsnaz...Russia Plans Joint Military Exercises in Nicaragua - 100 Russian paratroopers and 10 combat air vehicles…This is the size of a Spetsnaz Company plus vehicles...all air deliverable...that is all it takes to project an image of combat power these days for the MSM...
    Mon Dieu! Does #USNORTHCOM know about this?

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    Putin has just enough troops and combat power to tip the scales if his infantry comes from Iran which is the case...and as long as Iran provides the infantry...Assad will continue to try to recapture the entire country.
    But Russian military activities appear more geared toward securing Assad’s Alawi enclave and pushing rebel groups away from its edges. Russia would have to make major additional contributions in order to help Assad retake the areas currently under Daesh control, and what of the PYD-SDF areas or the TAF-FSA areas? Is Assad willing to give the Kurds independence? Is Russia prepared to kill Turkish and American soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    Here is Putin's problem...they stepped up and in an open agreement with the US for not bombing Assad after his first major gas attack in 2013 THEY Russia would guarantee that ALL Assad CWs would be withdrawn...which we know did not truly happen....

    So it behooves Russia to fix the problem...this has nothing to do with what Obama did and or did not do...Russia was the guarantor for the CW removal not Obama WH...the Obama WH mistake was not to heed warnings from some serious CW investigators that not all had been removed...
    Putin was a guarantor, but it is doubtful that Russia could entirely account for all of Assad’s stockpiles. Moreover, Obama was fully aware of the limitations of the agreement and made it anyway. The vanishing of Syria from the American news cycle as Assad resorted instead to chlorine was a cynical American establishment suppressing inconvenient truth.

    I would hold Khamenei more responsible than Putin. There is no way that Assad used CWs without explicit approval or instructions from Teheran. The Iranians and their mercenaries riddle Assad’s remaining institutions, and certainly under Obama, Teheran knew that it would never be blamed or even acknowledged because of the importance of the JCPOA, and the MSM also colluded to bury this other inconvenient truth. Obama, Putin and Khamenei were all pleased for various reasons to have the Syrian Civil War framed as a contest between the U.S. and Russia. Not so now…

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    If you really watch Trump's WH they did the one strike and have been all verbal since then...basically finding all kinds of reasons to not follow it up with further strikes in order to stop even the normal plain barrel bombs...
    The fact that you want mission creep and that you feel the strike was not enough, are quite frankly irrelevant. You do realize that the isolationist crowd considers the Sarin attack in the same light as Iraqi WMDs or the Gulf of Tonkin, and believes that a few dozen TLAMs are Operation Iraqi Freedom redux, don’t you?

    Put you on the NSC and the U.S. would be engaged in great power conflicts in Ukraine and Syria at the least, if not more places… The issue with SWJ/SWC is that experts in tactics and insurgencies often assume that they are equally adept when it comes to grand strategy and great power clashes. For instance, Wavell was a far abler operational and tactical commander than Churchill, who hamstrung the Western Desert Force in North Africa in 1941, but Churchill was the strategic genius of the war.

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    Here is my opinion...Putin is trapped right now by his own actions....he desperately started all of this i.e. eastern Ukraine...Crimea and Syria to be "accepted as an equal super power and be able to look into the eyes of the other two superpowers US/China at the same eye level"...and suddenly it looks like China/US are potentially doing a joint deal on NK without Putin and the US is directly and suddenly confronting him in Syria...

    So right now he is not at "eye level"...and at the same time he has a growing number of Russians willing to openly demonstrate against him and his corruption i.e. the current trucker unrest which is spreading across all of Russia...because the owner of the toll company is the son of a very close Putin supporting oligarch and there was no need for the sudden toll increases other than to increase the corruption earnings of the son...

    Guns or butter...that is Putin's choice and he can no longer pull off both at the same time...
    I think that Putin is in less of a vice than you claim. Note that these claims have been made by you and others, including the U.S. government, since 2014. Of course, the latter made them in order to justify denying Ukraine arms and relying solely upon diplomatic and economic punishment of Russia.

    I completely agree with you that there is a toll being taken. It is impossible to know whether these bouts of unrest will fizzle out, worsen gradually over time or explode into violent revolution. Unfortunately, the history of revolutions give us little to go on in the way of indicators that can predict them with any accuracy. For instance, not only Ceausescu but the international community, was taken by surprise at the pace of events.

    There is increasing disgruntlement and Russian economic growth has backslid from its levels prior to 2014. However, Putin is still far ahead of the catastrophic Yeltsin era and well above the Soviet experience of the late 1980s:

    • GDP PPP Per Capita has doubled since 1999, and is still 17% higher than in 1990 (RSFSR)
    • Corruption is still a major problem in Russia, however, it the CPI has improved substantially since Putin was elected (20-29)
    • GDP from manufacturing has consistently grown (doubled since 2003)
    • GDP (constant prices) has almost tripled since 2003
    • Russian FOREX reserves have fallen 1/3 since 2009, but were non-existent during Yeltsin’s tenure
    • Russia’s government debt-to-GDP ratio fell 10X from 1999 to 2007, and remains below 20% of 1999 levels


    So like it as not, Putin does have room for both, although he seems to be cautious about over-spending on foreign policy stunts. In all probability, Putin will leave the economy to its own devices and seek to regain prestige on the world stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
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    But Russian military activities appear more geared toward securing Assad’s Alawi enclave and pushing rebel groups away from its edges. Russia would have to make major additional contributions in order to help Assad retake the areas currently under Daesh control, and what of the PYD-SDF areas or the TAF-FSA areas? Is Assad willing to give the Kurds independence? Is Russia prepared to kill Turkish and American soldiers?



    Putin was a guarantor, but it is doubtful that Russia could entirely account for all of Assad’s stockpiles. Moreover, Obama was fully aware of the limitations of the agreement and made it anyway. The vanishing of Syria from the American news cycle as Assad resorted instead to chlorine was a cynical American establishment suppressing inconvenient truth.

    I would hold Khamenei more responsible than Putin. There is no way that Assad used CWs without explicit approval or instructions from Teheran. The Iranians and their mercenaries riddle Assad’s remaining institutions, and certainly under Obama, Teheran knew that it would never be blamed or even acknowledged because of the importance of the JCPOA, and the MSM also colluded to bury this other inconvenient truth. Obama, Putin and Khamenei were all pleased for various reasons to have the Syrian Civil War framed as a contest between the U.S. and Russia. Not so now…



    The fact that you want mission creep and that you feel the strike was not enough, are quite frankly irrelevant. You do realize that the isolationist crowd considers the Sarin attack in the same light as Iraqi WMDs or the Gulf of Tonkin, and believes that a few dozen TLAMs are Operation Iraqi Freedom redux, don’t you?

    Put you on the NSC and the U.S. would be engaged in great power conflicts in Ukraine and Syria at the least, if not more places… The issue with SWJ/SWC is that experts in tactics and insurgencies often assume that they are equally adept when it comes to grand strategy and great power clashes. For instance, Wavell was a far abler operational and tactical commander than Churchill, who hamstrung the Western Desert Force in North Africa in 1941, but Churchill was the strategic genius of the war.



    I think that Putin is in less of a vice than you claim. Note that these claims have been made by you and others, including the U.S. government, since 2014. Of course, the latter made them in order to justify denying Ukraine arms and relying solely upon diplomatic and economic punishment of Russia.

    I completely agree with you that there is a toll being taken. It is impossible to know whether these bouts of unrest will fizzle out, worsen gradually over time or explode into violent revolution. Unfortunately, the history of revolutions give us little to go on in the way of indicators that can predict them with any accuracy. For instance, not only Ceausescu but the international community, was taken by surprise at the pace of events.

    There is increasing disgruntlement and Russian economic growth has backslid from its levels prior to 2014. However, Putin is still far ahead of the catastrophic Yeltsin era and well above the Soviet experience of the late 1980s:

    • GDP PPP Per Capita has doubled since 1999, and is still 17% higher than in 1990 (RSFSR)
    • Corruption is still a major problem in Russia, however, it the CPI has improved substantially since Putin was elected (20-29)
    • GDP from manufacturing has consistently grown (doubled since 2003)
    • GDP (constant prices) has almost tripled since 2003
    • Russian FOREX reserves have fallen 1/3 since 2009, but were non-existent during Yeltsin’s tenure
    • Russia’s government debt-to-GDP ratio fell 10X from 1999 to 2007, and remains below 20% of 1999 levels


    So like it as not, Putin does have room for both, although he seems to be cautious about over-spending on foreign policy stunts. In all probability, Putin will leave the economy to its own devices and seek to regain prestige on the world stage.
    Azor...your core problem is that you do not speak to Russians on a daily basis as I do often here in Berlin..all in their 20/30s and they are not going back home any time soon....

    The trucker strike right now is extremely well known inside Russia little known outside Russia and it goes to the heart of the Russian economy slash corruption.

    You quote figures and percentages BUT in the end it is the society that right now sees their real income sinking to levels not seen since the 90s..food costs exploding and getting higher with each day and the corruption that the opposition talks about and gets arrested for talking about is up front and in their face and they blame Putin no one else.....

    Great FP successes do not feed you and or your family theses days inside Russia.

    I have from the very beginning stated ...with a Putin and an Assad if one does not confront and confront them daily with all forms of measures they will pull back exactly one inch wait for the West to get lazy which takes exactly two weeks and then moves forward again..

    Diplomacy gets you nowhere...AND you can check my comments in SWC entered right after the annexation of Crimea..concerning the fact that the US pushed diplomacy was doomed to fail and it has....

    Kerry tried it for years and Tillerson ran straight into a setup propaganda show yesterday...Putin has no intention in abandoning Assad and or Crimea and especially eastern Ukraine which he wants to turn into Transnestria with Ukraine paying not Russia...

    You must have missed my Red Banner saying.....

    They both respect you if you respond as they would as they can judge how then to react...BUT get hit by TLAMs and total verbal confrontation in UNSC...then they are confused and lost and grope for what to do...which is exactly what we are seeing in Moscow right now...

    Putin threatens war at every turn...that is his standard threat....in the end he does nothing as he does in fact fear a direct war as he knows he will lose....

    The West on the other hand is actually afraid of war and pulls back under the bluster...thus allowing him to move forward unimpeded..

    Check every move he has made since Georgia...you will notice the pattern...if I can see it then the NSC should be able to see it...if not then they should take a short educational trip to Berlin and talk to actual Russians.....
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 04-13-2017 at 04:09 AM.

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